May 18, 2025
World Tour, Budget Battles, and the Usual Chaos

Trump’s globe-trotting again, Congress is burning daylight with budget brinkmanship, and the headlines feel like a fever dream. Tonight, the POGs are diving straight into the madness with unfiltered insight, political shade, and maybe a guest or two who aren't afraid to stir the pot. It’s been a wild week—pull up, pour a drink, and let’s talk about it.
00:00 - Episode Introduction
01:46 - SCOTUS Immigration Ruling
22:06 - Eighth Circuit Voting Rights Decision
33:33 - Medicaid Cuts and Budget Battle
41:53 - Saudi Business Deals Controversy
51:06 - Presidential Cognitive Decline Concerns
01:06:43 - Episode Closing
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What do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night Pinky, Try to take over the world.
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All right, yo, let's get into it.
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Try to take over the world.
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You're preaching freedom.
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Try to take over the world.
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And bring this chaplain in the world.
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Mr lanson, take over the world on a sunday.
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I had to run out real quick one of my rappers needed me, so I had to try to sneak off and beat the intro, but I'm back though.
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Welcome everyone to another Sunday edition of Two Pogues.
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It's your boy, kj Braley, and the greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill, and we have quite an interesting conversation.
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This week it was a lot going on.
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We got a lot to talk about.
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Obviously, potus keeps us rocking and rolling, but Congress, in their infinite wisdom, has also gave us a lot to talk about.
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So where in the realm of politics, my dear colleague, would you like to start?
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This week we got Congress, we got the Supreme Court that was rocking and rolling this week, and we got POTUS obviously doing POTUS things this week and we got potus obviously doing potus things well, I would say, dealer's choice.
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But the only one that I I I'm guessing we're both, uh, read up on would be the scotus pushing it back.
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Okay, so, great start.
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Yes, let's, let's look at what the Trump administration is doing in terms of broad strokes, right?
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The Trump administration has said we are going to come in and we are going to.
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We have a, we have a mandate and we're going to do what we think is absolutely necessary to fix this country.
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After four years of Sleepy Joe being asleep at the wheel, and who signed the auto pen and that's illegal and blah, okay, well, what they've also done is they said we are going to be, we're going to push the limits and we're going to be creative, right?
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So one of the first ones and this is the one that happened this week was using the aliens and sedition act to say we are going to deport people who are in this country illegally, using the Alien and Sedition Act.
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The circuit court came out and said nope, you can't do that.
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I believe it was the Fifth Circuit Went to SCOTUS and SCOTUS said hey, we're not going to remove the injunction, because the Fifth said, hey, you cannot use this.
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It went to SCOTUS.
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Scotus said well, it needs to go back to the Fifth, you need to be more specific about this.
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And they kicked it back to the court without removing the injunction 7-2.
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And you have a lot of people saying that's a win for.
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I'm not even sure who you'd say it's a win for for the illegal aliens, for the Democrats, for the anti-Trump Trumpers?
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I'm not sure.
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But I'm not sure who the winner there is in that.
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But Trump is not.
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Trump doesn't win on that per se right.
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And, of course, alito and Thomas, right in line what I figured they would do, they said well, hey, we're not.
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Why are we doing this?
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That's not what we're supposed to be doing.
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You guys, you know, if you think this is wrong, you should remove the injunction and then kick it back to the fifth.
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Why are we not doing that?
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So I do think it's interesting that at the same time, you have a lot of uh, maga or I don't know.
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Should we call it everybody a magna or republicans.
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I'm not even sure where we're at in the country, because I don't think every republican is maga and I don't think every maga is a republican either.
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I know they're not conservatives but, they're turning around and freaking out.
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I'm like, should we let, oh, these women on the court?
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I don't trust any of these women because the three women are liberal.
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And then, uh, amy cohen, amy barrett cohen, or amy cohen barrett, I always think it's call me barrett I think it's call me.
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I am acb.
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Um, was it a mistake?
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Was it a mistake?
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And I'm just like you guys, like, look, that's the type of that is the type of thing that the new york times it's just like oh, we love it.
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All the republicans, they're eating their own.
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We don't even have to go after them.
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So I think this.
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But then you and I have talked about this now you have the question and greg easterbrook, we are talked about this.
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Now.
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You have the question and Greg Easterbrook will talk about this.
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At what point does Trump say you know what?
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I think you're wrong and I'm going to ignore not the Supreme Court because, remember, it's not the Supreme Court that ruled, it's the Fifth Circuit.
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He kicked it back down to the Fifth.
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They kicked it back down to the Fifth.
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And so that's another argument.
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Trump and Trump's lawyer, the White House, the administration lawyers are also saying, hey, we want, and I.
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This is really weird, because normally this is on what's called the shadow docket, which is not the normal stuff.
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It's the stuff that comes up and normally it's not something that is even argued.
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It's the stuff that comes up and normally it's not something that is even argued.
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It's a paper.
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Hey, because this is important, give it to us.
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It's the file we're going to use, the secret docket.
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Or not?
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The secret, the non-competitive docket?
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Yeah, we write it down, we send out our ruling and then you let it go.
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Like any other administration, this is not a big deal.
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Like they rule it, you'll get a newsflash or a beaker at the bottom and then it rocks.
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And there's and there's shadow docket.
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There's shadow docket, that's not, it's not a special thing, it's something they normally do.
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But this time what they did is they said well, we are going to take up the shadow docket case in terms of these injunctions, because you and I have talked about this.
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The Trump administration is saying should a random federal judge, at any level, it could be a.
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I think the example we just would commonly use is the rando federal judge in Montana.
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Montana.
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Yeah, just pick a state Right.
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Some tiny little, you know small population state.
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So somebody out of Billings Montana, the federal judge out of Billings Montana, says I am barring the United States government from doing whatever X, y, z.
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So the Trump administration is coming in and going hey, we think that's an abuse of power.
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Sure, supreme Court, we need you to really rule on this.
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What power does the federal bench have?
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Do they have this brought?
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Because to me and this is not a Trump, this is not a brand new thing, I've thought this now for a couple of decades.
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New thing I've thought this now for a couple of decades.
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I have thought that the judiciary has become basically too powerful.
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It was supposed to be the checks and balances are supposed to be here's the executive, here's the legislature, here's the judicial.
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Right now, I would say this I say here's the executive, here's the legislative, here's the judiciary.
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And, to be fair, the reason the legislature is down so low is because they suck, they're not doing their job, they're not claiming their power, they're not doing what?
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I'll give you that.
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But the judiciary branch is, I think they're doing exactly what they're meant to do, like you know, circuit judges ruling on on administration issues.
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Obviously it's not new Right.
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We had the same issue going back, as far as I can remember, even in the 90s with with the Clinton era, and those guys, the new Dixie Crats, were doing that thing.
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But a couple of things I noticed.
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The baby SCOTUSs are more moderate than even this administration would have imagined.
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I think if they could do a redo, they probably would put more principally aligned judges on the court.
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Yeah, I don't think.
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Yeah, I don't think.
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I think he's regretting.
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I think he's kind of not necessarily regretting, but he's kind of looking sideways at his last, especially the last two, last three.
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Maybe I can't remember who the third one was, but Comey, barrett and Kavanaugh.
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He's kind of he's like man.
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You know, I'm not sure I enjoyed you.
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I did want to play this clip.
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We got a couple of clips we're going to play today, so I'm going to see if I can get this queued up and then we'll go from there.
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But I got to work though, but in this past weekend, the actual Supreme Court used its power to stop the Trump administration from any such new deportations under the same war claims I just mentioned.
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Court stepped in at the 11th hour and, as I mentioned, if you follow all your alerts over the weekend, you might have heard this, but I want to put it in the full context for you.
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Right now, the high court blocking any more Trump deportations under that power and telling federal officials not to remove any detainees from the US a rare overnight short rule.
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Some interpreting this as the high court now finding that its patience is running thin, losing patience with these type of Trump ploys and actions which would, on their face, and now by quite obvious laws and limits that are established not some new tough question, but past court precedents so I can agree with him in the and I can agree with him in the past court presence.
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You know, I'm saying the, the, the scotus, trying to maintain continuity because again, the district judges are there to to rule and then they're, I guess, the, the case, the cases is twofold, right.
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So trump, the trump administration is trying to say man, how in the world can a district judge, basically a regional, you know, municipality, tell, yeah, tell the nation what they can and can't do?
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And?
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And the judges, from the judges perspective, they like it doesn't matter if I'm a city judge, if it's unconstitutional, I have the.
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I have not only the authority but the obligation to speak on it.
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So I understand it both ways.
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I didn't like it when they did it to Obama and the and the expansion of Obamacare.
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I don't like it now, but I can at least.
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I told you.
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I told you some of my most interesting points of this administration were going to be the rulings, because this administration is going to push the budding and I haven't been disappointed so far in this judicial season.
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It has been exactly what I thought it would be, and I continue to see the attacks on the Reconstructionist Amendment, which I knew.
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I mean, everyone who's been following the playbook knew that that's what that was going to be, and this is just another case of it.
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I think what's going to happen is the administration is going to force the issue to a point to where one of two things are going to happen.
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Is the administration is going to force the issue to a point to where one of two things are going to happen either scotus is going to have to make an absolute ruling or the legislator is going to have to step in and say, all right, this is the law.
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Um, because it's too much gray area to play around in and as long as you got that gray area, one thing this administration is absolutely, you know, proficient at is finding that gray area and swimming in it.
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But yeah, I want to play, because there was another ruling from the 8th district that that kind of bothered me this week, but it's in conjunction with this.
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I wanted to start here and then we can go into that next.
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So, before you do that, who was the reporter on that?
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Because without, or even.
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Was that MSNBC, or was that CNN?
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You had it right.
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The first time that was MSNBC yeah.
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And that's the thing when you have a reporter saying here's what the news report is.
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I mean, did you see what the Supreme Court did to President Trump?
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He made President Trump seem like a clown.
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Oh, look at what Scabbit did they beat.
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And you just go.
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First of all, that's not what the ruling said.
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The ruling said we are not removing what the circuit court said.
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We are not removing what the circuit court said.
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We are going to kick it back to the circuit court and leave the injunction in place.
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Yeah, and that's that's where the bias of journalism and msnbc and, trust me, I'm sure, well, not sure.
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I assume that the way Fox News said it was, you know, supreme Court did not do what President Trump and they all know should have.
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They labeled it as an attack on the administration, which is interesting and I'm like yeah of course that's yeah.
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Now you say I like that.
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Of course that's what they do.
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So, to me that's why it's so important to me is to go in and actually have that analysis, your own analysis.
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Now, is it possible for us to go in, like you and I?
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We could probably do an entire show, we could probably pull up the ruling and we could probably go through the ruling and we'd probably be wrong on about 80 of what it said, because neither of us are lawyers.
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But, that said, there are parts of any scotus ruling like if you read the first page, page and a half, it's like a synopsis of any research and you kind of go here's what it is, here's what they say, and then you jump to the very end and says here's what that means as far as what's going to happen.
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So here's what we think, here's why.
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And then at the very bottom goes so we're kicking it back to the fifth so that they need to define what this really means I like, I like the, the, I like the.
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It was a 7-2 ruling, but alito and and thomas kind of surprised me.
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They didn't say no, they.
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But they didn't say I agree with you at the same time.
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Essentially what their objection was was like hey, are we sure we want to leave the injunction in place while the district figures it out?
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Right, he's like you know.
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And then Thomas is, and I told you he walks that fine line.
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I can't stand that dude, he gets on my nerves, man.
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He walks that fine line, just like.
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So he's like.
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His whole summary was like hey, I think I agree with you.
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However, if we're not going to take it up fully, then we should lift the injunction and let the district figure it out, and if they want to kick it up to us, then we'll explore it all the way through.
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And that's exactly what Liberty is saying.
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There is.
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You know, liberty, I think you're right on.
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If the Supreme Court doesn't take up the case, it sometimes means it's just not to that level.
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And that was one of those things a few weeks ago that the Supreme Court took up and said OK, we're going to, we're going to have the emergency injunction and we're going to say no deportations.
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Even though SCOTUS and Alito both came back and said what are you doing?
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We're not even following our own rules and we're putting an injunction in place without it being vetted, without it going through the initial stages or the appeals court, through the initial stages or the appeals court Now.
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So somebody now can just file with the Supreme Court and bypass every all the other levels of of the court which are supposed to be there.
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And so the argument.
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And I think that I think it would have been interesting if Alito and Thomas had basically made the point and said OK, well, if you guys are going to rule at 7-2 that we should have this injunction in place without all this other stuff, then I guess we're just in charge of everything.
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What's the next traffic ticket?
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I would have made that you know to be absurd.
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You reducto ad absurdum and you make it to the most ridiculous point and the Supreme Court going.
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So if we're going to bypass all this other stuff, if chaplain o'neill gets a jaywalking ticket and he files for relief with the sir, with the supreme court, should we take that up?
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Why not, I mean, if we're just going to jump over everybody else?
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So I think scotus scotus in a lot of ways are being viewed as both savior and stopgap and facilitator, and waterfall depending on what side you're on and what the ruling is.
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I mean, it was the DOJ that fast-tracked it.
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Well, but the thing is it doesn't matter, right, it doesn't matter who it is, it doesn't matter if it's the Trump administration saying, hey, we need an emergency ruling, the Supreme Court's going.
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So this is where, again, I kind of look at the justices and I like that Alito and Thomas are saying hey.
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I think Alito and Thomas are trying to say this is the strike zone.
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It's either a ball or it's a strike.
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This is the zone and the other ones are going.
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well, I mean sometimes you'll give a corner over here.
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Well, that one.
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Are we talking about the middle of the knee or is it the bottom of the knee for a strike?
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Well, it was a check swing, so I think it was a strike.
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Well, you know.
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So I think Alito and Thomas are very much like this is the strike zone.
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We don't call anything out of the strike zone period.
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For better or for worse.
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You know how I feel about those two and they are they're ruling exactly how I thought they would.
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So it's just kind of like it's one of those things.
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I am more, I guess, impressed with the baby scotuses than I thought they would be.
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I did not expect them to put up as much resistance, even with with Kentucky Brown Jackson, up as much resistance Even with Kentucky Brown Jackson.
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Resistance to what?
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Resistance to the administration's advances.
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Let's face it, alito and Thomas bullied the last session Last year.
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Alito and Thomas bullied the SCOTUS session.
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I don't even know why they even sent up stuff to the SCOTUS because in my opinion it wasn't a fair ruling.
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It wasn't.
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It wasn't a fair SCOTUS decision.
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I think on a couple of this was the Biden's administration.
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Biden was trying to get I can't remember off the top of my head.
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It was a couple of them where I was like SCOTUS and Alito are going to push it back.
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Um, I think, well, a big one, the presidential immunity.
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I know that was a huge.
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That one did not.
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That one was pushed through and I I mean, I get it, you know, you get the my, you get the majority, you get the opinion, I get it, you know, but it just I.
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I am pleasantly surprised to see the baby justices kind of finding their own path, which is which is you know what you would want from a bench.
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You don't want everybody to be lockstep.
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Oh, oh sure, and I'll agree with you.
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I think that they are the justices.
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I don't care if it's Alito and Thomas or if it's Sotomayor and whoever.
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I want them to look at a case.
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Look at what the Constitution says, debate it behind closed doors, write an opinion that a layman can read and go oh okay, this is why that a layman can read and go oh okay, this is why.
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And then the other side, if they are so inclined to say now we think you're wrong, because that's, that's how it's supposed to work, I I don't have any problem, like the presidential immunity one.
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I looked at that.
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I thought it was so funny when the democrats were freaking out about it, because I was like.
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So your argument is that because of presidential immunity and remember what it said was that the president in, in acting in an official capacity, could not be held to criminal standards Right, Basically, that's what it was.
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Sure they were freaking out.
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Well, that means Trump could go in and just assassinate, and I'm sitting there going, you guys, Biden's still the president.
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If that's where you're going with it and you're so worried about Trump, why doesn't Biden just assassinate?
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Oh wait, no, oh wait.
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Assassinate Trump.
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Oh, I think the piece is I think we didn't have time.
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I think Biden was the one who Biden.
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Biden was on vacation for like the last one.
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All right, so let's get back to the second part.
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You know where he was though he was, he was, he was on the grassy knoll, he was the one who was telling the sniper.
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His body was there, but nobody was behind the wheel.
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All right, all right, here we go.
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So I'm going to play this real quick and we're going to talk about it here we go AURN News.
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I'm Ebony McMorris.
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A major blow to the Voting Rights Act just landed, this time courtesy of a federal appeals panel affecting seven states across the Midwest.
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