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What do you want to do tonight?
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The same thing we do every night.
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Pinky, Try to take over the world.
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Alright, yo, let's get into it.
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Try to take over the world.
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Try to take over the world.
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The hands of the greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neill.
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Try to take over the world.
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And the greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neal, what's up?
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What's up?
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What's up everybody.
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It's your boy, kj, and the greatest chaplain in the world, mr Lance O'Neal, and we are back for this very special, very, very special in the world, mr Lance O'Neill, and we are back for this very special, very, very special Mother's Day edition of Two Pogues.
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Thanks for joining us.
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What's up, chappy?
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How you doing, how was your Mother's Day?
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Pretty good.
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It's funny, my wife doesn't cook very often, but she actually cooked tonight.
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Afterwards I was kind of laughing like the one.
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The one Sunday I don't cook Mother's Day, but that's why I look at it.
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Mother's Day is every day.
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It should just be one day saying how much you love your mother.
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But you know, I should probably call my mom after this.
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Yeah you should definitely call it before midnight.
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All right, for those of you guys who have been following along.
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We were expecting to have futurist Jesse Hurst on board with us.
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He's running a little bit late, having some technical difficulties over there in the great up north, so hopefully he'll be able to jump on the pod a little bit later, but in the meantime we got more than enough political chaos to talk about in our own little space of the world.
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Chaffee, let's say we jump into it.
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My brother, let's get hot and heavy.
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I got two words for you.
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I got two words for you.
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Abias Corbin, let's go.
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You already knew, you know, you know it was coming, you know we had to talk about it All right.
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So you know, you know I've been ready to call this administration the F word.
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I think they are definitely 2025 version of a fascist regime.
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You got Stephen Miller out there running point and the dude is literally step by step with the playbook.
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They got the people in place.
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I think we just added what?
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Janine Pirio for her head attorney in DC.
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Are you ready yet?
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Are you ready yet?
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Oh, we still are we still wait.
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Yeah.
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Judge Perino, are we talking about an actual judge who has been a practicing lawyer and a practicing judge on the bench?
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That is a very at least.
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That is a very at least she's qualified.
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You can't, she's not qualified he is absolutely qualified, but that is a very low standard for and I will give you that, given the we can get into, the nomination of which makes absolutely no sense.
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But let's go.
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Let's start with habeas corpus first.
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Let let's talk about it.
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What do you?
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think.
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Well, first, if you don't know what habeas corpus is, it's basically that anybody who is arrested or for whatever necessary reason has the right to demand habeas corpus, which is to be physically present in front of a judge.
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Okay, so one of the big issues right now is people getting deported and claiming well, now they want habeas corpus, they want to be in front of the judge before they are sent out of the country.
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And so then the question becomes well, is habeas corpus protected constitutionally?
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The answer is mostly because the legislature can, in fact, suspend habeas corpus under the Constitution.
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It has been suspended as well previously.
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Now it's been a while.
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I know Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during during the Civil War so a little while ago, 60 years ago but he was using it under the War Powers Act, which is actually very similar to what Trump is kind of doing.
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He's saying look, this is an assault on American sovereignty and the people that are here are illegal, are not only here illegal, but they are a real and present danger to citizens of the United States whether they be gangbangers, whether they be murderers, rapists, but then they're extending it all the way down to.
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Well, you are.
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It's tough, because all the way down to are you supporting Palestine, which is essentially the equivalent to supporting Hamas which is a, the equivalent to supporting Hamas.
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It is a terrorist organization.
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So it's a nuance for sure.
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It is a nuance for sure.
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I understand.
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I'm trying to argue it from the administrative side.
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I got you and this is why, yeah, you and I have talked about this.
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As far as the law, we like to think the law is black and white and this is what the law says and this is how it is.
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But if that was true, we wouldn't have lawyers.
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So if the legislature would just do a better job of saying this is what the law is and write it constitutionally to begin with, we wouldn't have these issues as habeas corpus goes.
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I will tell you firsthand my experience with habeas corpus was being a guard in Guantanamo from 02 to 03.
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So I was down there for about eight months, nine months.
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I'd like to consider myself that I was one of the good guards, meaning I just they were a guard.
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You know they were detainees.
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I was a guard.
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I didn't go out of my way to harass them or do anything to them to make them make their lives any worse than it was.
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I was like, hey, they're still human beings as much, even though they're the most dangerous people in the world, which I think was definitely exaggeration for many of them, considering how many were released afterwards.
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But one of the guys who was down there was funding for Al-Qaeda.
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He was a middleman and so he was basically money laundering and providing funds.
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And so he the whole time oh no, I'm not, I wasn't that, I'm here by mistake.
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I was just caught up.
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Oh no, no, no, and he was kind of banking and I had a conversation with this guy.
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He had good English, I'm here by mistake.
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I was just caught up.
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Oh no, no, no, and he was kind of banking and I had a conversation with this guy.
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I had good English and I had a conversation with him.
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Guantanamo Bay is not technically the United States.
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And suddenly he started saying well, what can I tell you guys to help my case?
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And I said tell us what you know, and suddenly he started singing like a little songbird, right?
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So yeah, so the part of it for me is tough, because I get both sides.
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You'll have people you included, I believe who say if you are here illegally and even if you're a gang member, you have to have the right of cavious corpus, you have to be in front of a judge and all that.
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My problem is for a lot of these detainees I'm sorry, not detainees a lot of these people that are in the country illegally.
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It's already gone through the judge.
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The judge has already written orders that say you're out.
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Then ICE comes in and grabs them.
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Well, now, if they've already had their trial or their hearing, I should say and the judge has already signed off on the deportation order, but they didn't appear do they still have the right to habeas corpus?
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I think that's one of the nuances of this.
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In that case, that's cut and dry.
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You had an opportunity to see the judge.
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You chose not to take that opportunity.
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Then, in my opinion, you got to go.
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Where I have an issue with is where we're literally snatching and grabbing people off of the street, sending them to Venezuela and then being like, hey, my bad, this administration is getting extremely loose with regulations.
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Right, they are.
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They have found the magic loophole in the government where it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission.
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Call it what you want, but snatching kids off the street for protesting Hamas college kids protest, right, that's what they do.
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They protest.
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You snatch kids off the street, you throw them in cages and deport excuse me, deportation centers right.
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And then you hold them and say, oh, you don't have any rights because you were supporting a terrorist group, because they wrote an opinion piece.
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That's sketch right.
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Because now you're stretching the terrorist group because they wrote an opinion piece.
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That's sketch right.
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Because now you're stretching the very limits of the Constitution, right Is it?
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But is it Absolutely Okay?
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So let's go.
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Let's look at that a little bit differently.
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Sure, anybody who's in this, let's say foreign national students Sure, let's go with them by themselves.
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Yeah, a foreign national student has to's go with them by themselves.
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A foreign national student has to have a green card I'm sorry, a visa.
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A student needs it to be in this country.
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If, at any point, the federal government who issues the green card says we don't want you here anymore, it can be literally for any reason.
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It can be we have too many kids here.
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We don't like the look of you.
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We don't like that.
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You didn't pay your rent on time.
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We didn't like how you're walking down the street.
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You pissed off the wrong crossing guard right.
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The federal government has a right to revoke the visa and there's no habeas corpus there.
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It's you have no visa.
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No, no no, that was it.
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Right Now you need to GTFO, you need to get the family out, right, okay.
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So that's a little bit different issue.
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I pretty much have little problem on those.
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When you're out protesting because again I support Israel and I look at all this stuff that's going on in Palestine protesting because again, I support Israel and I I look at all this stuff that's going on in Palestine and I've said, look, you didn't want this stuff going, you shouldn't have gone in and done October 17th or October 7th.
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You go in and kick a guy in the shin and say F you and he catches you and puts you on the ground and starts beating the living crap out of you.
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Well, you probably shouldn't kick the guy in the shins.
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Oh yeah, but you can't exterminate an entire race of people for that, though.
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That's what we started to get to.
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That's what we started to get the questionable, questionable actions Right, like I mean Israel if we were, if we were to take the names off of this aggression Right, let's say, we removed Israel and Palestine and we just had country and country B Right.
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There is no international court that would not rule, rule this as intended, intended eradication of a of a population, and that is absolutely a war crime.
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So here's why I disagree.
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Now, I don't know what the numbers exactly are right now, but when you're looking at the percentage of Israeli citizens that died on that day, I believe it was close to 1% of the population, from the terrorists and the hostages.
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And all that Wait, no way.
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That was not a mass kill, sorry, 0.1%.
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I was going to say, yeah, no way, that was not a mess.
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Sorry, 0.1%.
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I'm going to say, yeah, 1%.
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Yeah.
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So I look at it like this and I say, okay, so if you're going to do that, and I'd be curious what the actual percentage in.
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Palestine is.
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Palestine is Because the other part of it is when the terrorists, when October 7th happened, it was targeting civilians, purposefully targeting civilians, families, old people, young people.
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It's as bad as anything you can possibly see OK, including babies getting stomped on and laughed at by these, these terrorists.
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Let's be fair.
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Let's, let's be fair.
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The Israeli army has had more than their fair share of the same.
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So there are there, have there have we, not we?
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We cannot say I for not to for two.
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Then they'd be like oh well, they're bad because they were kicking babies, like the Israeli, but I do the Israeli army is known.
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Well, I mean, hold on before you go, because the Israeli Israeli army is known for playing bully ball and blending and blurring the lines.
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That's why the US uses them as a hit job.
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So we know, we know whenever you call in the Israelis, you're going to get dirty, they're going to cut off the body cameras, they're going to cut off the body cameras and then they're going to throw a pistol under you and they're going to tell you stop resisting while they beat the shit out of you.
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That's just how the?
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Israelis get down.
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But go ahead.
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So do you dispute thatrael drops pamphlets and warns civilians to get out of certain areas, which is well documented?
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Sure they do?
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okay, and then?
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But two things can be true, two things can be absolutely they can, they can absolutely, they can absolutely.
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You know, because they, they do the pr thing, they, they do the pr thing.
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Hey, we're dropping leases.
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Of course, we gave them fair warning, we gave them fair warning, we gave them fair warning.
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But there's no way in the hell you're going to tell me.
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There's no way in the hell you're going to tell me a four-year-old or a three-year-old or two-year-old baby, still wearing diapers, getting shot in the head, is an enemy combatant because we dropped pamphlets.
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Well, we dropped pamphlets a week ago.
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Hold on.
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First of all, I agree that that's any time.
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That that is a situation is horrible.
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I will also say this, though A lot of those videos that came out from Hamas were able to be shown that Israel was like these people getting shot, getting snipered.
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We didn't even have troops there.
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That was on the southern border, and it was us, and it was Hamas shooting their own people.
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Wait a minute.
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There's been, yeah, there's been propaganda, right, but propaganda on both sides.
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The same way.
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Israel has been like oh see, they killed that.
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You know they did it.
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But what I'm saying is you've had more than your fair share, like when the Israelis destroyed that aid, that aid convoy on camera, when they clearly had their sirens flashed, and what did they do?
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They went on, they went on and they ran the PR and said, oh, we didn't know who they were, but then the video from the people inside the convoy clearly shown that they were properly identified.
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So I mean, at a certain point, right, your reputation precedes you and we know that.
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The Israeli army, we know how to get down.
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That's why we use Right.
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I've worked beside them, I've trained them, I know how to get down.
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They will look at the rules and be like yeah, ok, ok, if we don't get caught, we don't get caught.
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If we get caught, we say I'm sorry, hey, man, listen, I'm going to give you the rules and you do what you want to do from there.
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And that's how they play.
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Even in training, even in training, they were roughing dudes up.
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And it was a.
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It was a training event, so I can only imagine what they're like with no cameras around and the hinges off and the handcuffs off, so to speak.
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So, yeah, ok, kj, so let's make this personal.
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Let's make this personal.
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Then, sure, you are out on the street and five or six guys come up walking up around you and they start harassing you and they start throwing stuff at you and kicking you and you're just kind of doing everything you can and they're hitting you and smacking you and then finally you snap and you beat the crap out of all six of them.
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Right, you just turn around and beat the living crap.
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You take the first one, drop him with an you jack reacher these guys, yeah, you pull the jack reacher, sure then.
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And then you're walking down the street a couple years later and the same guys, plus a couple more, they come up and they do the same thing and you snap again.
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The whole time you beat the living crap out of them.
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Now fast forward a month or two later, maybe a couple more years later, right Now this time, they come in and they grab one of your kids and they stab your mom.
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What are you going to do?
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There's a point where Israel there's only so many, and the whole time you've been going, hey, you know what?
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I know these guys.
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I've been watching these guys.
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When I can, you know, I make sure to take their guns away.
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If I can get a single without being, I break in their house and maybe steal their guns, whatever.
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But these guys keep antagonizing and that's the history of Israel, and I can.
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I know I already know certain people are going to be like oh, that's really simplified.
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Yeah, it is.
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It's very simplified because we're talking about a 70 year history.
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I just look at it as there's a point where you have these Israel doesn't mess around because they can't mess around.
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When they start messing around, they will be wiped out.
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They will not be on this earth anymore.
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I've heard that since the inception of Israel and they have not been wiped out yet.
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But you know what they have done.
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You're right, they wiped out a shit ton of Palestinians to the point to their damn near extinct.
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That is that.
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That is where we have the blurring of lines, right, we and I you know call me a pessimist, but I've seen this playbook.
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It's the oh, we got to get to them before they get to us, though, right, and every time we see that in history it turns out the person that's throwing their hands up.
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It's like wrestling, right, it's always.
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In wrestling, it's always the heel who cries to the referee.
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They're picking on me, they're picking on me, and as soon as the referee turns their back, they're kicking the damn guy in the groin, or something like that.
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So I just, I hear you Absolutely.
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I'm not saying, hey, ali, how you doing?
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Oh man, what's up, girl, how you doing?
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No, we, I don't dispute at all that they have a right to defend themselves.
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But what?
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Let me ask you a question yeah, go ahead.
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How many people now?
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Now, I can only go by the estimates here given by Gaza's health ministry, and my guess is Gaza's health ministry is higher than.
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They're probably inflating the real number, right, ok, but You're talking about wiping out, okay.
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So how many palestinians have been killed since, since the uh october 7th massacre?
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oh, so I don't know, somewhere between 60 and 100 k somewhere.
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I'll give it a 40,000.