April 27, 2025

Celebrating 3 Epic Years of Outsmarting Cable: Celebrate POGs Day with Special Guest Gregg Easterbrook!

Celebrating 3 Epic Years of Outsmarting Cable: Celebrate POGs Day with Special Guest Gregg Easterbrook!

Send us a text Season 3 kicks off with a bang as KJ, Lance, and special guest Gregg Easterbrook dive deep into journalism, politics, and the American experiment in 2025. The crew unpacks major ethical questions: what happens when journalists like Jake Tapper cover for political allies instead of telling the full story? And what about The Atlantic's Signal chat scandal — was it right for senior editors to stay silent? They also revisit the early Trump Administration through Easterbrook’s sharp...

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Season 3

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Season 3 kicks off with a bang as KJ, Lance, and special guest Gregg Easterbrook dive deep into journalism, politics, and the American experiment in 2025. The crew unpacks major ethical questions: what happens when journalists like Jake Tapper cover for political allies instead of telling the full story? And what about The Atlantic's Signal chat scandal — was it right for senior editors to stay silent?

They also revisit the early Trump Administration through Easterbrook’s sharp lens and debate the evolving realities of American prosperity versus Marxist ideals. KJ leads a spirited challenge to Gregg’s controversial "Marx Was Right" column, pushing back on ideas about free markets, collectivism, and the strength of U.S. living standards today.

Plus, Gregg gives an inside look at his latest work, including All Predictions Wrong , his exclusive Substack series tackling where experts and pundits have gone off-course.

Three years strong and still cutting deeper than cable ever could — welcome back to 2 POGs Save the World .

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00:00 - Episode Introduction and Birthday Celebration

01:42 - Bernie vs Trump: The 2020 What-If Scenario

14:22 - Marx Was Right? Communist Manifesto in Modern America

34:54 - Immigration, Judges, and Due Process Debates

45:30 - Journalism in Crisis and Media Evolution

57:17 - Pentagon Leadership Controversies

01:25:49 - Congressional Term Limits and Political Money

01:44:36 - Federal Injunctions and Executive Power

02:00:11 - Episode Wrap-up and Future Shows

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What do you want to do tonight?

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The same thing we do every night Pinky, Try to take over the world.

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Alright, yo let's get into it.

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Try to take over the world.

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You're preaching treating the cops.

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Try to take over the world.

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And bring this chaplain in the world.

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Mr larson, take over the world.

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What's up, what's up, what's up, world.

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We are back on this birthday sunday.

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Happy third birthday to the pokes.

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As you can see, we got some new background swag, chappy.

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How are you I'm doing?

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Well, I am here, I am here and if you guys haven't noticed, we have the esteemed Mr Greg Easterbrook here with us once again to celebrate our third birthday.

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How are you, Mr Easterbrook?

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I'm doing fine KJ.

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It has been a while.

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We are going to jump right into it today, ladies and gentlemen, because we were having an amazing conversation off stage.

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So we were talking about the 2020 election between Trump and Biden and we had a wrinkle that we wanted to present, and the wrinkle was Biden was on the ropes in the primaries and had it not been for the representative in South Carolina whose name escapes me and I don't know why, because he's my wife's favorite- James Clyburn.

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Clyburn.

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Had it not been for Clyburn saving Biden's butt, I don't know if Biden would have survived another race.

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So the question now we were talking about was where does Bernie fit in that situation?

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And had he won the primary, would he have won a potential race against Trump?

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Go ahead, guys, your thoughts.

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It would have been fascinating because you would have had left-wing populism that's hard to say versus right-wing populism and that's not a matchup we've seen in American politics at the national level anyway.

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But I'll tell you.

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What happened in 2020 and Biden suddenly going from his tail between his legs to the clear favorite for the nomination is, the Democratic Party was in a panic, not that Bernie would lose, but that Bernie would win.

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Because Bernie threatened the Democratic power broker base.

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He would have yanked the rug out from under them.

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They would have rather lost with Biden or anybody else than to have Bernie win and go to the Democratic Party's power brokers and say, okay, you can all go home, you're all out of here.

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Now your sweetheart deals and your taxpayer-funded summer homes are over, and they were panicked about it.

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Yeah, it's a.

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It's a Trump version of on the left.

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I think that's why so many so many GOP were so against Trump as well.

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I mean, I left when Trump was nominated in 2015 because I was worried about the same thing a lot of people were, and then I voted for him in 2020 because he was to me.

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He was three for three on Supreme Court justices, which is my.

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You know one thing I vote on, and so I think Bernie, I think Greg, you make a great point that you know, being the populist, I don't see Bernie going towards the middle, and we know Trump isn't going to move from whatever we want to call it Trumpism.

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So, yeah, I do think Trump wins in that situation, simply because Bernie doesn't big tent it enough.

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I think he, because he is such a leftist that in 2020, where we're starting to see, kind of now, that the polling is a little bit more people are more willing to accept some of the leftist, what is leftist ideas under progressivism.

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I don't think in 2020 we were at that point where they would.

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In America, progressive it's all relabeling, it's words, right.

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It used to be liberal and now it's progressive and leftist, but now liberal and leftist are not the same thing like they used to be 50 years ago, and so it would have been really interesting.

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I think the media, of course, would have fell in line right behind Bernie, like good little media do.

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And not to throw Greg into this, but just as media, I do want to say that Greg is a phenomenal sub stack.

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So if you haven't gone on to the sub stack and subscribed and become a follower of Greg, euston Brook and TMQ and all predictions wrong, so, by the way, any predictions that Greg's makes, guaranteed that you know they're going to be wrong, or at least can be wrong.

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I love it.

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I keep my promises.

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My predictions are always wrong.

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All right.

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So, speaking of that, I'm glad you guys you guys are amazing at segwaying.

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So here we go.

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First topic of the night Lance had brought up one of your columns where you was talking about Marx was right, and we had a little bit of a discussion about it.

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But I kind of wanted, lance, you can go ahead and take the lead on that and then just just kind of give us some feedback on that.

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Well, I think we should start with Greg's point from the article.

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Greg, why don't you tell us what Marx was right about?

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And then I'm going to push back a little bit on some of the things.

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The basic point of remember.

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During the debates, trump called Kamala Harris a Marxist.

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Yeah, she clearly is a Marxist.

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So is Trump.

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Marxism is the core philosophy of Western governments.

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In this sense, if you look at the Communist Manifesto from 1848, nine of the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto have been adopted by the United States and the European Union.

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We're doing what Marx wanted done with only one exception, and we're doing things that Marx would have considered close to inconceivable.

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Marx wanted a central bank controlled by federal government.

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We've got that.

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All the European nations have that now.

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Marx would have been stunned to discover that the capitalists and labor organizers were willing to sign a peace treaty, which we call organized labor.

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It's fundamentally a peace treaty.

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He we call organized labor.

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It's fundamentally a peace treaty.

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He thought there could never be peace between those two factions and now there is, and it's mutually beneficial in most cases to both of them.

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Marx thought that there would never be child labor laws.

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We've had child labor laws for 100 years.

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Marx was a Malthusian.

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He thought society would run out of food and that eventually we'd have to be drafting people into an army to try to improve soil.

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He didn't know high-yield agriculture was coming.

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So all these problems in a way that he didn't know could happen.

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The only plank of the communist manufacturing.

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Oh, and here's the key, what I got to remember.

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Be sure I don't forget this Marx hated immigration.

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He wanted immigrants put in prison and all of their property confiscated.

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He would have fit right in with Fox News.

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Marx could have had a Fox News show called Carl's Corner where he fulminates against getting rid of those immigrants and deporting them to El Salvador and locking them up.

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He was totally with Fox News on that.

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The one thing, the one plank of the Communist Manifesto that we didn't adopt was the abolition of inheritance.

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He wanted, on death, all property owned by an individual to forfeit to the state.

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And we kind of tax states here in the United States we tax them very lightly.

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Some of the European Union countries tax them very lightly.

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But basically you can still accumulate vast wealth through family generations and the fact that you can still accumulate vast wealth in family groups is one of the main sociological distinctions in the United States today.

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Because you look at the black-white gap, the education gap is declining, the pay gap is declining, marriage statistics have normalized, become about the same between the two groups.

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The one thing that's totally different is family net worth.

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Whites have much more family net worth than blacks do, and we're not taxing it, and so it's going to grow, not shrink.

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Yeah, KJ and.

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I have actually talked about that quite a bit.

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On the money and the black dollar being kept in the black community.

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He definitely educated me on that a few times.

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So, greg, what's your thought on?

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Is there a difference then between in the Communist Manifesto and Marxism, versus Leninism and Maoism, where the collective becomes the government and the collectivization of, let's say, farms is probably the easiest one, the non-land ownership because my understanding is Marx thought that was the way to go is that it would be the collective.

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And then we saw how the Leninists basically, for all intents and purposes, made that one of the largest death knells in the history of the 20th century.

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The three greatest killers in human history.

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One is Hitler, of course, the other two are Stalin and Mao, and they perverted Marxism into a philosophy of dictatorship and an anti-human philosophy, a rationalization for mass murder.

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Marx was not a violent person.

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He was pretty crazy, he had a lot of eccentricities and he turned out to be wrong about many things, most prominently food supply, but he didn't want violence.

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He would have been horrified if he saw what Stalin did to people in Ukraine in the 1930s, for example, or what Mao did during the Great Leap Forward.

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That would have horrified him.

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Yeah, I think that's one thing that kind of gets lost to history is the difference between and this is not I am not defending Karl Marx by any stretch, but the idea that Marx was basically we're going to set up the government, we're going to set it up for each according to their need, and then humans are going to take over, and then the government is going to step back and eventually dissolve.

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That was the idea Marx had.

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And you saw Lenin.

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I don't think we have ever had a government that has willfully given up power once they've become a dictatorship.

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That they said yeah, this just isn't for me anymore, it's pretty damn rare.

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One of the reasons George Washington should be a hero to all of us is he was very rare in voluntarily surrendering great power.

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He could have been president as long as he wanted and he said nope, somebody else should take this job now.

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And it set a good precedent.

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That's mainly lasted.

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Well, didn't Washington?

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I thought they proposed that he would be the new King George.

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Isn't that correct?

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At one point there was a proposal to crown him, but he was never interested in wearing a crown.

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Yeah, I knew he wasn't interested, but I knew there were people that wanted to draft him into that position.

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Yeah, so yeah with Marxism.

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I think that that's part of the problem is, when you go into the philosophy of how things are versus how they actually are practiced, and to keep it a little more modern that was one of the biggest critiques that you saw in the Obama administration from the right is hey, we have all these college professors, we have these people that are based in philosophy and theory and they've never done this before, and so any any time things went wrong, it was an easy see.

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We have these people that are based in philosophy and theory, and they've never done this before, and so any time things went wrong, it was an easy see.

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They don't know what they're talking about.

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Meanwhile, you know, currently we have people that have experience that maybe not enough experience that seem to be shooting themselves in the foot every so often.

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Experience is such a very loose word but out of respect of our guests, I will not belabor that point.

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You know how I feel about that.

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But anyway, next topic how's your citizens and your judges?

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So, Greg, my esteemed, co-hosts don't like when I use the F word when.

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I talk about this regime, right, but when you start to take away journalistic rights, when you start to lock up you know citizens and hide them away in offshore prisons now you start to lock up judges it's starting to look real effy to me, and my co-host does not agree with me.

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So what are your thoughts in regards to the way the administration is behaving?

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I call it fascism light because we're not fully there, and my co-host says, well, because it's not traditional fascism.

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We're not there, and I'm like, well, yeah, they did it wrong the first time.

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So everybody learns from mistakes.

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That's why they're evolving and making it better.

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But what are your thoughts?

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I'm curious to hear I'm all in for deporting convicted criminals.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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If you're convicted of something, you should be deported.

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It's certainly possible that you can deport people who have entered this country illegally.

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Barack Obama deported almost a million illegal immigrants.

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It's a big change in the Democratic Party that now they love illegal immigrants they didn't used to.

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If you break our laws to enter the country, you've got no complaint if you're deported.

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But you've got some kind of normalized status here People with green cards or who are married to American citizens or who have received some kind of refugee status.

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They have to receive due process before anything happens to them.

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And if you can take away due process from disfavored people, how long until you take it away from the majority too?

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Yeah, I think my argument is that you can't use the exception for the norm, right?

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So we're talking about the Maryland man.

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I know that that's how he's been labeled.

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I don't know.

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That's what we, yeah, that's what we, that's what he's become, the cause du jour.

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But then you have the Maryland senator who he gets, and he has all the people behind me he says, and his wife, his wife's here, and his wife was over here.

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He didn't know who the who the wife was was.

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So then it's like, okay, how sincere are you really?

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You know, yes, you might turn the wrong way, and I'm not saying there shouldn't be due process, I've never said that.

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But my whole thing is, if you're here at the, at the uh, as a guest of the United States government, at any point the United States government can say you're not welcome here anymore.

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If there's a cause or any real cause, people get mad at what's going on in Colombia and some of the Ivy League schools, those that are supporting the Palestinians.

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I remember not too long ago when if you were supporting a terrorist organization, you could get kicked out of the country because you were supporting a terrorist organization.

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And the last time I checked, hamas is still labeled as a terrorist organization, and I don't want to re-adjudicate what's going on in Israel and Palestine, but if you're blocking students, especially Jewish students, on a campus, like just last week we saw a video out of Yale where the Palestinian supporters and just for the record, this is my own personal thought If you're in any type of a protest and you're wearing a mask to hide who you are, you're not a good person.

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If you were proud of what you're doing, and that's why I think the what are the national front, the guys in the khakis and all that, I think that's a load of crap.

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I don't think that they're.

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I think it's a good likelihood they were federal.

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They were federal provocateurs, because they've pretty much gone away.

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But if you are here as a guest of the United States government and you do something that is supporting a regime that is goes against not only our values, but against one of our, and people can say, well, israel, just because they're against Israel, well, they should have that right.

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Yeah, you can absolutely have that right.

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You can have that right back in your country, where you have every right to have it.

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And so I yeah, go ahead.

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Well, I'd say that people who enter the United States, there's three ways to enter fully lawfully, on a temporary basis, as a student visa, tourist visa, work visa or illegally.

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People who enter illegally I don't care about it, I want to send them home.

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If I entered another nation illegally, they'd send me home, so we should be doing the same thing here.

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People who have entered lawfully on a temporary basis and green cards are temporary.

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They can't be revoked.

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They don't make you a citizen.

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They get due process.

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The Constitution is clear on that.

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If you do something bad, say, you become an anti-Semite at Columbia University, where they're practically handing out prizes for anti-Semitism.

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Now, you get a hearing before we send you home.

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That's really clear in the Constitution.

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14th Amendment, one of its greatest.

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Yeah, due process sometimes is just stall tactics, but the 14th Amendment creating the due process right is one of the reasons.

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But the 14th Amendment creating the due process right is one of the reasons the United States became a better society and that right was extended to everyone who was within the borders of the United States, even to criminals.

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So I want both of you guys to kind of chime in on how that plays out with the.

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What's the Attorney Bundy going after the judge who allegedly I guess she snuck an illegal immigrant out the back door?

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Yeah.

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And they arrested the judge.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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I think that's a little.

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I understand it, but I think arresting judges is a slippery slope.

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It is a slippery slope and it's crossing a line that's only been crossed a few times in American history.

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A judge can commit a crime.

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A judge can do something unethical.

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Judges are not.

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Most judges, I think, are pretty virtuous, but if they commit a crime they should be prosecuted too.

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If they commit a crime, they should be prosecuted too.

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In the case of the Wisconsin judge, it is odd to think that we think of Wisconsin as this happy little state of dairy farmers.

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It's become the most politically tumultuous state in the country in recent years and I follow this pretty closely.

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My older brother is a federal appellate judge who has jurisdiction over Wisconsin, so he's also always handling these crazy cases.

00:18:28.817 --> 00:18:35.549
The judge who was arrested is a state judge, so her case probably will not end up in federal court.

00:18:35.549 --> 00:18:42.837
But you got to say if a judge commits a crime, nobody's above the law, a judge should be prosecuted.

00:18:42.837 --> 00:18:47.471
Now she's got to defend herself in court and show that she did not commit a crime.

00:18:47.471 --> 00:18:50.883
But it is crossing a line.

00:18:51.063 --> 00:18:59.895
By general agreement of both political parties you don't go after judges, in part because you don't want the judges to be angry at your party when you're caught in corruption.

00:18:59.895 --> 00:19:02.122
You want the judges to look the other way on you.

00:19:02.122 --> 00:19:06.746
If you go after them, they may not look the other way, but I'll tell you what this all builds up to.

00:19:06.746 --> 00:19:08.627
You've heard in the last two months.

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You've heard the phrase constitutional crisis used a lot.

00:19:11.611 --> 00:19:17.737
I'm not sure there is a constitutional crisis right now, but there could be one coming.

00:19:17.737 --> 00:19:28.313
If you look at the history of the White House and the federal courts, we think it's unprecedented that Trump is ignoring federal court orders.

00:19:28.313 --> 00:19:29.016
Actually, this happens all the time.

00:19:29.016 --> 00:19:32.984
We just don't pay attention to it because it's usually on minor procedural issues.

00:19:32.984 --> 00:19:36.471
Biden defied a lot of orders.

00:19:36.471 --> 00:19:40.303
Obama defied a lot of orders, which is procedural stuff.

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Nobody cared.

00:19:41.023 --> 00:19:43.508
Now suddenly everybody's decided to care.

00:19:43.508 --> 00:19:55.942
If push comes to shove and the Supreme Court tells Trump you must do X, y, z and Trump says no, I won't, then we'll have a genuine constitutional crisis.

00:19:58.288 --> 00:20:09.991
Yeah, and one of the points I've made with that is the irony of this is the legislature makes the laws, the judiciary interprets the constitutionality of the laws and the executive enforces the laws.

00:20:09.991 --> 00:20:19.826
So if the legislature passes law and the judiciary says it's constitutional, hey, you have to enforce this, and the executive goes no, what are they going to do?

00:20:19.826 --> 00:20:23.053
Who's going to go in and enforce the law and the enforcers?

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That's the big question of a genuine constitutional crisis.

00:20:26.038 --> 00:20:30.592
If the White House went to war with the Supreme Court, who would win?

00:20:30.592 --> 00:20:32.507
It's not clear who would win.

00:20:32.507 --> 00:20:37.372
The strongest hand is always held by Congress, because Congress can alter laws.

00:20:37.372 --> 00:20:42.090
The president can write executive orders, but the next president just tears them up.

00:20:42.090 --> 00:20:45.009
They're nowhere near as strong as laws are.

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Judges can issue injunctions and issue stays and things like that, but somebody else can just it's not the judge, you just tear them up.

00:20:53.003 --> 00:21:01.232
Congress is holding the trump card not to make a bad pun, and right now, so far, congress has been completely inactive.

00:21:01.232 --> 00:21:13.950
A lot of the things that the White House and the federal judiciary are arguing about Congress could resolve by simply clarifying the law, and they don't want to do it because they want to be able to blame somebody else for what's going on.

00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:16.366
Exactly Wait what?

00:21:16.888 --> 00:21:17.108
Yeah.

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Do their job.

00:21:21.580 --> 00:21:22.123
No, no, no, no.

00:21:22.123 --> 00:21:23.164
You are right on point.

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I am all for speaking of term limits.

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That brings up a good point.

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I mean, it's going to take us off a little bit, but how do you feel about term limits?

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We are, I am, definitely pro term limits at every level Scotus level, congressional level, obviously we have it for the potus, but I believe no one should be there forever.

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Be there forever, and then you start to see people whose net worths are continuously, you know, exploding during their time serving the people.

00:21:53.943 --> 00:21:55.828
It just further strengthens my point that, hey, man, you should not be there forever.

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Do some time, and then I need you to come out so we can get some fresh voices and generational takes.

00:22:00.212 --> 00:22:00.755
You know what I'm saying?

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Because every generation ages out right, and I think right now, what we have in Congress is we have everybody that's been there forever has generationally aged out, and the young people that we have in there are grifters who are looking.

00:22:13.790 --> 00:22:18.491
They saw, they saw the opportunity to cash in and they saw the Congress is the easy cash cow.

00:22:18.491 --> 00:22:22.028
So a lot of them aren't in there to serve the people.

00:22:22.028 --> 00:22:23.392
They're in there to serve their pockets.

00:22:23.392 --> 00:22:25.826
But I'll leave that to you guys.

00:22:25.826 --> 00:22:26.468
What are your thoughts?

00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.807
Just because Elon Musk says something doesn't mean it's wrong.

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So when Elon Musk points out the number of people who are long-serving members of the House and Senate, whose net worth has spectacularly increased even though they're on a public servant's salary and don't have any other visible source of income, you know there's corruption there and you ask yourself we're running up these fantastic federal debts.

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Spending keeps increasing, increasing.

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Where are the new bridges?

00:22:54.143 --> 00:22:55.286
Where are the new roads?

00:22:55.286 --> 00:22:56.269
Where are the new schools?

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Where are the new hospitals?

00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:10.692
A lot of that money is being stolen by members of Congress and that's why members of Congress try to keep their heads down all the time because, as Elon Musk says, they don't complain about criminals because they themselves are criminals.

00:23:10.692 --> 00:23:13.207
Now, I certainly don't mean every member of Congress.

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There are some people of very high ethical standing in both chambers of the United States Congress, but you look at Nancy Pelosi's net worth, you know, tell me, oh, my husband invested wisely.

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Come on, we weren't born yesterday.

00:23:28.906 --> 00:23:38.448
And I'll give you a statistic that blows me away 16% of the American public is at least 65 years of age.

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80% of Senate committee chairmen are at least 65 years of age.

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The aging is wildly overrepresented in the United States Congress, and whose fault is that?

00:23:51.436 --> 00:23:51.959
Our fault.

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We should vote those people out of office.

00:23:54.005 --> 00:23:59.923
Yeah, yeah, I saw somebody I don't remember which congressman said this or where.

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I read it, but it was almost identical to something I came up with.

00:24:04.673 --> 00:24:08.404
Read it, but it was almost identical to something I came up with.

00:24:08.404 --> 00:24:09.990
Shoot, greg, it might have been in one of your columns.

00:24:10.009 --> 00:24:15.664
I said about 15, 20 years ago I used to be against term limits simply because every election is a term limit.

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But then I realized that the American people and the electorate is stupid.

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So you need to have these term limits and it should be very simple.

00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.461
So you need to have these term limits and it should be very simple.

00:24:26.461 --> 00:24:36.450
In the House it should be six years, in the White House eight years, in the Senate 12 years and SCOTUS should be 18 years and they should be slotted in one every two years.

00:24:36.450 --> 00:24:38.872
So it doesn't matter who it is the number third.

00:24:38.872 --> 00:24:44.757
The third person in the Supreme Court is after six years and let's say that person passes away with still six years.

00:24:44.757 --> 00:24:51.645
Well, the nomination goes forward and that person gets slotted in right there to number three.

00:24:51.645 --> 00:24:53.792
So after three years they're out, and that way it just it's constantly going through.

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I think that would solve so many of the problems with the oh well, this person's a Democrat nominee, this one's a Republican nominee.

00:25:02.323 --> 00:25:11.316
And the turnover, because right now the money that's involved in in the elections as well, is just for a pun.

00:25:11.316 --> 00:25:15.692
It's criminal, but literally I think it's criminal as well.

00:25:15.692 --> 00:25:26.422
But not just the dark money, but even even the yeah, because if I wanted to run for, if I wanted to run for Congress, I simply couldn't.

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I don't have the money.

00:25:28.002 --> 00:25:33.505
I would have to have somebody immediately come in and say, ok, you're in Georgia, the Georgia 10th.

00:25:33.505 --> 00:25:35.424
I think I'm in the 10th district.

00:25:35.424 --> 00:25:39.286
We calculate you're going to need somewhere around $2 to $2.5 million.

00:25:39.286 --> 00:25:42.527
Well, great, who's going to give me two point five million dollars?

00:25:42.527 --> 00:25:45.468
And then the other side of it blows me.

00:25:45.468 --> 00:25:46.828
I don't know how many people know this.

00:25:46.828 --> 00:25:54.550
Let's say somebody came in and said OK, we're going to back you for two point five million dollars, and I say, great, I'm going to go run.

00:25:54.550 --> 00:25:55.791
And then I spend up.

00:25:55.791 --> 00:25:57.692
Let's say I spent fifty thousand dollars.

00:25:57.692 --> 00:25:59.073
You know what happens to the rest of the money?

00:25:59.073 --> 00:26:00.073
I get to keep it.

00:26:02.053 --> 00:26:08.455
And when you and Lance, when you get elected and I'm sure you'll get elected you're going to win handily.

00:26:08.455 --> 00:26:14.176
When you get elected, if you're like most current members of Congress, your first day in office, what do you start doing?

00:26:14.176 --> 00:26:15.657
Fundraising for yourself.

00:26:15.657 --> 00:26:24.883
You're not going down to listen to the debates, you're not studying the issues, you're fundraising fundraising, fundraising, yeah, fundraising, fundraising, fundraising, yeah.

00:26:24.923 --> 00:26:25.644
Kj and I have brought up.

00:26:25.644 --> 00:26:37.890
There's a movie, eddie Murphy, called the Distinguished Gentleman, where he ran because he had the same name as the representative who had died, and so Eddie Murphy is one of KJ's favorite movies.

00:26:37.890 --> 00:26:41.539
So that's the type of stuff that happens.

00:26:41.539 --> 00:26:45.800
And Eddie Murphy wins the election in that movie just based off a name recognition.

00:26:45.800 --> 00:26:48.727
Again, that tells you the stupidity of people.

00:26:48.727 --> 00:27:00.787
If I go in and I say I'm going to vote for now again, as a conservative I'm not a Republican, I am a conservative I am not voting for Mitch McConnell year after year after year.

00:27:00.787 --> 00:27:03.393
Now, people might not like, let's say, mike Lee.

00:27:03.393 --> 00:27:04.923
I like Mike Lee.

00:27:04.923 --> 00:27:07.084
He's a conservative, I see what he does.

00:27:07.084 --> 00:27:09.730
People don't like it because he is a conservative.

00:27:09.730 --> 00:27:13.885
Fine, cool, but I do, and that's how I'm going to vote.

00:27:13.885 --> 00:27:19.493
But once he starts going against what I think are my best interests as a constituent, I'm not voting for him anymore.

00:27:19.493 --> 00:27:25.432
Well, and I'm not in Utah anymore, so I'm not going to vote for him that way either, but it's ridiculous.

00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.007
Ok, all right, we got to keep the ball moving.

00:27:28.007 --> 00:27:33.903
Gentlemen, we can definitely have an entire episode on that, because that is, that is yeah.

00:27:33.903 --> 00:27:34.628
So here we go.

00:27:34.628 --> 00:27:36.079
Journalism in crisis.

00:27:37.321 --> 00:27:56.435
So recently we saw a, an Atlantic and senior editor from the Atlantic and Atlantic, good Lord Resign, and then also Jake Tapper in his book on Biden, on why he, on how he revealed all these secrets but was astoundingly quiet during the administration.

00:27:56.435 --> 00:28:02.150
Some of it sounded extremely damning to the president, like falling asleep in meetings and that sort of thing.

00:28:02.150 --> 00:28:03.332
Like falling asleep in meetings and that sort of thing.

00:28:03.332 --> 00:28:15.701
I guess the question would be if you knew that information beforehand, don't you think, as a journalist, or how do you feel as a journalist, having the responsibility to put that information out in the best interest of people?

00:28:15.701 --> 00:28:25.546
Because if my president is falling asleep in meetings and is clearly deteriorating but the message isn't getting out there, I think I deserve to know, as a voter, that's going to affect the way I vote what do you guys think there.

00:28:25.546 --> 00:28:26.538
I think I deserve to know, as a voter, that's going to affect the way I vote.

00:28:26.538 --> 00:28:26.865
What do you guys think?

00:28:27.207 --> 00:28:33.474
Well, I think mainstream journalism and mainstream journalism is mainly left wing not entirely.

00:28:33.474 --> 00:28:36.007
Of course there's a Wall Street Journal and Fox News.

00:28:36.007 --> 00:28:44.133
Mainstream journalism is mainly on the left Performed astonishingly poorly in the last, really for a decade.

00:28:44.133 --> 00:28:50.067
They performed poorly with the Russia collusion hoax against Trump in 2017.

00:28:50.067 --> 00:28:59.195
In retrospect, it was totally a hoax and I think a lot of the big news organizations always knew it was a hoax and they pretended that it wasn't.

00:28:59.195 --> 00:29:07.561
They performed incredibly poorly with the relation on the story of the key story of the relationship between China and the outbreak of COVID.

00:29:07.561 --> 00:29:15.307
Two factors to that the relationship of China and the fact that the United States government was funding the experiments in China.

00:29:15.807 --> 00:29:17.593
They pretended all that stuff didn't exist.

00:29:17.593 --> 00:29:30.692
They pretended Hunter's laptop didn't exist and tried to retaliate against the New York Post, successfully retaliated against the New York Post, successfully retaliated against the New York Post for reporting that story because it didn't fit their agenda.

00:29:30.692 --> 00:29:40.750
And then it all built up to what, for the Democratic Party, was a calamity that they hid the truth about Biden's actual mental condition and physical condition too.

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:45.767
Now, at his age, it's no surprise that he was declining Most people do at that age.

00:29:45.767 --> 00:29:49.989
But the fact that there was an elaborate cover-up run by journalists.

00:29:49.989 --> 00:29:57.361
The kind of people whose job it is to communicate the truth to the public were trying to prevent the public from knowing the truth.

00:29:57.361 --> 00:30:03.811
The journalism business deserves the decline of public respect that it's experiencing right now.

00:30:09.461 --> 00:30:11.384
I think that's why people are turning to alternative media.

00:30:11.384 --> 00:30:13.509
Well, I've got to say it's been great for Substack.

00:30:13.509 --> 00:30:22.726
Substack has only existed for five years and, as of about a month ago, many of your listeners may not even know what Substack is.

00:30:22.726 --> 00:30:27.144
It's a media alternative where you subscribe to an individual rather than to an organization.

00:30:27.144 --> 00:30:29.271
That's the big difference.

00:30:29.271 --> 00:30:34.390
You pick the writers or, in some cases, the artists that you like and you support them, not an organization.

00:30:34.390 --> 00:30:42.852
But, as of a month ago, substack has more paid subscribers than the New York Times and the Washington Post combined.

00:30:42.852 --> 00:30:45.217
And it's not a big corporation.

00:30:45.217 --> 00:30:52.875
There's a couple of guys in a small office building in San Francisco pressing the technical buttons.

00:30:52.875 --> 00:31:01.621
Subsec has 92 employees and it has already more reach than many of the main journalism organizations in the United States.

00:31:01.621 --> 00:31:08.093
And it's not the only alternative organization, but it's one that's, I think, pretty well balanced and pretty factual.

00:31:08.093 --> 00:31:13.182
And the big deal.

00:31:13.182 --> 00:31:22.407
Media types are amazed that we've pulled the tablecloth off the table without upsetting the glasses and the plates, because we're doing it every day, basically.

00:31:24.742 --> 00:31:25.728
Greg, I have a question for you.

00:31:25.728 --> 00:31:27.768
You wrote for the Atlantic for a long time.

00:31:27.961 --> 00:31:31.230
I did yes for 30 years, 38 years actually, sorry, 38.

00:31:32.280 --> 00:31:38.733
So the current editor-in-chief, jeffrey Goldberg, accidentally gets put onto a chat?

00:31:38.733 --> 00:31:42.989
Now we're not going to go into the legality of the chat itself.

00:31:42.989 --> 00:31:44.211
We're staying away from that.

00:31:44.211 --> 00:31:47.259
The legality of the chat itself we're staying away from that.

00:31:47.259 --> 00:31:56.126
But he knew he was mistakenly put on a signal group because he had the same initials as somebody in the administrative, so he knew he didn't belong in that.

00:31:56.126 --> 00:31:59.387
What are your thoughts on him sitting back and gathering?

00:31:59.387 --> 00:32:06.884
Now I don't mind him If he right up front had said I was included in the signal like immediately and I told him I'm not supposed to be in there.

00:32:06.884 --> 00:32:08.548
So that just tells you how messed up they are.

00:32:08.548 --> 00:32:09.220
They put me on this.

00:32:09.220 --> 00:32:14.249
But he sat back for three days and gathered information.

00:32:14.249 --> 00:32:18.541
Now, did he have a legal obligation to disclose he was there?

00:32:18.541 --> 00:32:21.867
No, did he have an ethical and journalistic?

00:32:21.867 --> 00:32:25.355
Uh, should he have stayed on?

00:32:26.537 --> 00:32:31.327
well, I'd answer this way and I and I'm someone who's disagreed with jeff about many things.

00:32:31.327 --> 00:32:39.336
I don't like the direction that he's taken the atlantic in I I don't like, so, some of the opinions he's expressed.

00:32:39.336 --> 00:32:42.663
I think he handled himself properly in this case.

00:32:42.663 --> 00:32:48.733
His explanation and I take him at his word was that he first started getting this chat stuff he didn't believe it was real.

00:32:48.733 --> 00:32:51.027
He thought he was being spoofed by somebody.

00:32:51.027 --> 00:32:57.913
If you or I started getting chats from the National Security Advisor, would we believe that it was real?

00:32:57.913 --> 00:33:00.348
It's some high school kid messing with me.

00:33:00.348 --> 00:33:05.454
Only when the bombs went off in Yemen did he say holy shit, this is real.

00:33:05.454 --> 00:33:08.305
And 24 hours later he disclosed everything.

00:33:08.305 --> 00:33:10.130
I think he handled himself just about right.

00:33:13.082 --> 00:33:20.912
Yeah, so he wasn't the son of an NFL coach who was to a prospective quarterback.

00:33:22.740 --> 00:33:25.289
There's definitely nothing NFL about Jeff Goldberg.

00:33:27.842 --> 00:33:35.355
So what are your thoughts on the handling of the administration in the press pool, with being able to like kicking out the AP?

00:33:35.355 --> 00:33:46.451
I understand you can have disagreements with news outlets Right but I'm also a fan of free journalism.

00:33:46.451 --> 00:33:52.711
Just because I disagree with you and I know you're going to put out a hit piece, I don't think it's right to restrict access.

00:33:52.711 --> 00:33:54.605
That's just my own personal opinion.

00:33:54.605 --> 00:33:56.170
What are you guys' thoughts?

00:33:57.641 --> 00:34:05.402
Well, I don't like the fact that the Trumpsters are so hostile to the press, but I think that's their choice to make.

00:34:05.402 --> 00:34:08.128
Everybody knows that they're hostile to the press.

00:34:08.128 --> 00:34:12.346
I think it's healthy for the press to be intensely scrutinized.

00:34:12.346 --> 00:34:15.112
There's no right to sit in the White House press room.

00:34:15.112 --> 00:34:23.871
Each administration gets to pick who they admit and traditionally the administrations of both parties have admitted the primary power brokers.

00:34:23.871 --> 00:34:30.289
But if the Trump people want to admit independent web-based journalists, that's their choice to make.

00:34:30.289 --> 00:34:38.204
I think they've got to balance it by making sure there's always somebody from the press pool, whether Associated Press or Washington Post.

00:34:38.204 --> 00:34:41.860
The press pool has always got to have a representative near the president.

00:34:41.860 --> 00:34:45.271
That's just for democracy to function properly.

00:34:45.271 --> 00:34:55.885
But if most of the people who are near the president are independents who do podcasts, for example, that's Trump's choice to make.

00:34:55.885 --> 00:35:04.670
And if President Ocasio-Cortez is sworn in in 2029, she will get to choose who gets to be close to her.

00:35:05.536 --> 00:35:17.108
I don't have any problem with that and that's kind of where my argument has been is that you don't have a right to be in the White House press room, otherwise, where's my press pass?

00:35:17.108 --> 00:35:18.070
Yeah?

00:35:18.592 --> 00:35:19.293
there is no right.

00:35:19.293 --> 00:35:26.213
I think every president has an obligation to ensure that there is a press pool reporter nearby at all times.

00:35:26.213 --> 00:35:28.447
The president owes that to the public.

00:35:28.447 --> 00:35:32.431
As long as that obligation is being observed, the rest of it's up to him.

00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:35.782
Real quick.

00:35:35.782 --> 00:36:01.161
I guess my question with the AP is because the AP has pushed such a political agenda with things like calling males females and saying, hey, we're going to go by what they call themselves, and the Trump administration saying, well, no, I mean, if you're not going to be honest about the sexual, I don't even know how we're doing it nowadays.

00:36:01.161 --> 00:36:07.581
It's not gender, it's not, you know, whatever the anatomical genitalia somebody has.

00:36:07.581 --> 00:36:11.471
If you're going to lie about that, then why should I trust you about anything else?

00:36:11.471 --> 00:36:15.090
And I've seen plenty of stories, and especially from the right.

00:36:15.090 --> 00:36:19.681
I see that you know this trans person did this and she, she, she.

00:36:19.681 --> 00:36:23.063
And then I'll see in the comments going you mean he, he, that's a dude.

00:36:23.063 --> 00:36:27.925
And so to me I look at that and go I'm kind of like Jordan Peterson.

00:36:27.925 --> 00:36:41.251
Jordan Peterson has said if a student comes to me and says, hey, dr Peterson, I'd really appreciate it if you called me Jennifer, that's how I, that's how I identify, and so if you would call me that, I'd really appreciate it, and he says, yeah, absolutely no problem.

00:36:41.251 --> 00:36:49.135
His problem is when the law turns around in Canada and says you will say she, and that's how he came to.

00:36:49.135 --> 00:36:53.478
He came to the forefront of the intellectual dark web is by saying no as law.

00:36:53.478 --> 00:36:55.039
Why am I going to?

00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.641
You can't force me to do that.

00:36:56.661 --> 00:37:03.530
And I think that's where the problem becomes is the AP is saying, well, we don't give a crud what you're going to say in the White House.

00:37:03.530 --> 00:37:11.664
Otherwise, it says, okay, well, if you're not going to follow the very basic rules that we're putting out here, the AP just came out with one a couple of weeks ago.

00:37:11.664 --> 00:37:14.331
They will capitalize.

00:37:14.331 --> 00:37:19.769
When talking about racial, they'll say black is with a capital B, but white with a lowercase b.

00:37:19.769 --> 00:37:20.751
Well, why?

00:37:20.751 --> 00:37:22.420
Or I'm sorry, white with a lowercase w.

00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:27.945
Well, why, if you're going to be a news organization, puts things out and says this is how we're going to do it.

00:37:28.425 --> 00:37:33.068
And it might have been the AP you know the AP guidebook that did it instead of AP.

00:37:33.068 --> 00:37:41.896
And if I'm complaining to you, I'm sorry, but you know, if you're going to say we're going to do it one way for one group, a different way for a different group, why are we doing this?

00:37:41.896 --> 00:37:47.103
Like we not going to just have a standard, stick with the standard and go from there?

00:37:47.103 --> 00:37:52.905
And if the AP is not willing to do that, I have no problem with them losing their special place in the Pentagon.

00:37:52.905 --> 00:37:56.693
There's no right to that space in the Pentagon.

00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:10.641
There's a huge amount of groupthink at the top of journalism, and groupthink tends to veer to the left, and you don't want to be the person who says well, you know, jennifer, okay, I'm going to call that person who wants to be known as Jennifer.

00:38:10.641 --> 00:38:15.572
Fine, that's what Jennifer wants, that's what we're going to call her.

00:38:15.572 --> 00:38:22.929
But not just AP but many New York Times is this way.

00:38:22.929 --> 00:38:33.769
They want you to believe that if a man declares himself a woman, then the man becomes a woman, and that doesn't make any sense.

00:38:33.769 --> 00:38:37.262
I'm talking about adults, not minors.

00:38:37.262 --> 00:38:39.588
An adult male wants to dress as a woman.

00:38:39.588 --> 00:38:41.923
As long as you're not hurting anybody, that's your choice.

00:38:41.923 --> 00:38:44.717
You don't become a woman.

00:38:44.717 --> 00:38:46.324
That doesn't make any sense at all.

00:38:46.324 --> 00:38:56.172
So I take your point that if Associated Press or any other news organization is willing to confidently say something that they know to be a lie, what else are they lying about?

00:38:57.280 --> 00:38:57.681
I agree.

00:38:57.681 --> 00:39:00.190
The only thing I have an issue with is the vetting process.

00:39:00.190 --> 00:39:11.420
The Trump press pool has been caught several times with Russian state sanctioned reporters inside of their press point.

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:20.914
Just recently, the influencer who was literally paid to put out pro-Russia propaganda was granted access to the presidency.

00:39:20.914 --> 00:39:28.132
And then the incident before that you literally had a Russian state media reporter sitting right beside the press secretary.

00:39:28.132 --> 00:39:32.447
I don't have an issue with who you let in there, but there has to be a vetting process.

00:39:32.447 --> 00:39:35.163
We can't allow why?

00:39:35.163 --> 00:39:36.125
Here's why I say why?

00:39:36.907 --> 00:39:43.108
Here's why I say why If Al Jazeera sends a reporter, should we not allow the Al Jazeera?

00:39:43.108 --> 00:39:47.744
Because Al Jazeera is clearly antagonistic towards the United States, but we shouldn't let them in.

00:39:48.748 --> 00:39:58.909
There was a period where the State Department was encouraging people in Washington to cooperate with Al Jazeera because they felt that Al Jazeera was making a legitimate attempt to present the American point of view.

00:39:58.909 --> 00:40:12.108
I was at the Brookings Institution for some time and our press guidance from Brookings said whenever Al Jazeera calls, treat them with respect and answer their questions, because we think they're trying to be a responsible news organization.

00:40:12.108 --> 00:40:15.181
And we all said, fine.

00:40:15.181 --> 00:40:17.586
Now, I think since October of 27,.

00:40:17.586 --> 00:40:18.347
That's changed.

00:40:18.347 --> 00:40:23.324
But until it changed I didn't have any problem working with Al Jazeera.

00:40:23.324 --> 00:40:25.632
And I'll tell you my knowledge of how the vetting works.

00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.766
I never held a White House press pass, so I don't know how that vetting works.

00:40:29.766 --> 00:40:33.489
But for 30 years I held the United States Congress press pass.

00:40:33.489 --> 00:40:39.306
There's a thing called the Periodical Press Gallery in the Senate where you have to go to apply for that pass.

00:40:39.306 --> 00:40:40.826
It was pretty damn rigorous.

00:40:40.826 --> 00:40:46.121
I had to disclose a lot about my personal life in order for them to issue me a press pass.

00:40:46.121 --> 00:40:48.847
If I had been up to anything, they would have figured it out.

00:40:48.847 --> 00:40:54.128
So the same level of scrutiny should apply to anybody who's getting a White House press pass.

00:40:55.050 --> 00:40:55.731
That's all I got.

00:40:55.731 --> 00:40:57.463
I completely agree.

00:40:57.463 --> 00:41:02.202
All right, Greg, we got you for a couple of minutes left, so we're going to do a rapid fire.

00:41:02.663 --> 00:41:02.923
Okay.

00:41:03.204 --> 00:41:05.431
What are your grades for the first 100 days?

00:41:05.431 --> 00:41:08.309
I think we're a little past 100 days now of the administration.

00:41:08.309 --> 00:41:11.068
What are your thoughts, your grades and where do you see this administration going?

00:41:11.619 --> 00:41:24.956
I like the fact that Trump is going after the deadwood in Washington and the entrenched assumptions about oh, just because we've always spent on this program, therefore we should spend even more on this program.

00:41:24.956 --> 00:41:26.646
I like the fact that he's doing that.

00:41:26.646 --> 00:41:31.326
I think he's shooting from the hip way too much and we're seeing him especially with tariffs.

00:41:31.326 --> 00:41:32.806
Tariffs are a terrible idea.

00:41:32.806 --> 00:41:36.630
There's like 11 economists in the entire world who want more tariffs.

00:41:36.630 --> 00:41:41.186
Tariffs have always harmed both countries and they're harming both countries here.

00:41:41.186 --> 00:41:42.885
He's got to pull back from it.

00:41:42.885 --> 00:41:52.043
He shot from the hip way too much with tariffs.

00:41:52.063 --> 00:41:53.688
Otherwise, I like the fact that he's streamlining government.

00:41:53.688 --> 00:41:54.552
I like the fact that he's laying.

00:41:54.552 --> 00:41:56.398
I don't like the fact that no one individual you want to see laid off.

00:41:56.398 --> 00:42:01.878
But you know the theory of management consulting that any organization can take a 5% staff cut.

00:42:01.878 --> 00:42:06.510
Any organization will be improved by a 10% staff cut.

00:42:06.510 --> 00:42:10.210
It's when you exceed 20% that you start to damage the organization.

00:42:10.210 --> 00:42:19.032
So if he gets like the State Department now is talking about a 15% cut, that's tampering with the area where you damage the organization instead of helping it.

00:42:19.032 --> 00:42:21.166
So he's shot from the hip too much.

00:42:21.166 --> 00:42:22.108
He's got to pull back.

00:42:22.108 --> 00:42:24.409
But I like the fact that he's been aggressive.

00:42:24.409 --> 00:42:31.088
Washington is designed to resist change on almost every level, and change is sometimes healthy.

00:42:34.945 --> 00:42:35.849
Real quick with tariffs.

00:42:35.849 --> 00:42:52.699
If the point of the tariffs with China specifically are to try to force China to be an honest broker, is it worth at least the attempt, even if it hurts in the short term are to try to force China to be an honest broker, is it worth at least the attempt, even if it hurts in the short term?

00:42:54.440 --> 00:43:05.150
Yeah, if there's a plan, if he's not just doing whatever pops into his head, if the plan is to get China to bargain seriously for true free trade between the United States and China, then there'll be a huge success and everybody will be really happy about it.

00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:07.764
Is that really the plan?

00:43:07.764 --> 00:43:08.146
I don't know.

00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:11.668
I think they're calling it 5D chess now.

00:43:11.668 --> 00:43:15.869
Yeah, the supporters are saying he's playing 5D chess.

00:43:15.869 --> 00:43:21.550
Mr Easterbrook, as always, man, it is an absolute pleasure and honor to have you on the show.

00:43:21.550 --> 00:43:28.128
We wanted to cap you at 45 minutes, so we are right at that 43.30 time frame.

00:43:28.128 --> 00:43:30.744
So thank you so very much for.

00:43:31.643 --> 00:43:33.217
You mentioned the name of my sub stack.

00:43:33.217 --> 00:43:34.684
It's called Fiction's Wrong.

00:43:35.166 --> 00:43:35.648
Absolutely.

00:43:35.648 --> 00:43:37.048
Please do Anything you want.

00:43:37.048 --> 00:43:38.603
I was just going to say anything you want to promote.

00:43:38.603 --> 00:43:39.606
You got the last minute.

00:43:39.606 --> 00:43:40.769
It's all yours, brother.

00:43:41.460 --> 00:43:44.693
Well, I urge people to look for my last name on substack it's.

00:43:44.693 --> 00:43:47.262
It's a quirky subset.

00:43:47.262 --> 00:43:54.474
Half of the of what I publish is public policy and, actually, theology commentary.

00:43:54.474 --> 00:43:55.641
I'm big on the latter.

00:43:55.641 --> 00:43:57.445
The other half is football.

00:43:57.445 --> 00:44:02.320
If you, many of your of your uh audience would know the name tuesday morning quarterback.

00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:04.983
Tuesday morning quarterback back, and it's on Substack.

00:44:04.983 --> 00:44:11.670
Right now the football isn't being played, but once the season starts it'll be every Tuesday on Substack.

00:44:11.670 --> 00:44:19.177
Again, it's a quirky product but a lot more people than I ever thought are paying for it, so it's going pretty well.

00:44:19.177 --> 00:44:24.784
You're going to have a post-draft TMQ correct On Tuesday.

00:44:24.784 --> 00:44:25.688
Yeah, I'm finishing it right now.

00:44:28.561 --> 00:44:29.364
I'm looking forward to it.

00:44:29.364 --> 00:44:34.768
I can't wait to see what you think about or what you say about Sanders, because you didn't draft him in your mock draft.

00:44:36.201 --> 00:44:40.643
Well, I didn't draft any real players in my mock draft they were all made up.

00:44:40.643 --> 00:44:45.507
I know I like Sanders as a college player.

00:44:45.507 --> 00:44:47.246
He's going to be a success in the NFL.

00:44:47.246 --> 00:44:51.518
I think he's the first example of a reverse Nepo baby.

00:44:51.518 --> 00:44:58.101
He was penalized for having a famous father Instead of being Shader Sanders.

00:44:58.101 --> 00:45:01.204
If his name was Sam Johnson, he would have gone in the first round.

00:45:01.204 --> 00:45:03.090
I agree.

00:45:05.905 --> 00:45:11.766
As a BYU fan who watched BYU defense absolutely destroy Colorado, I had my doubts.

00:45:11.766 --> 00:45:14.788
So we'll see who's right in five years.

00:45:15.429 --> 00:45:16.110
Okay, we will.

00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.623
Mr Easterbrook, thank you so very much for hanging out with us, man.

00:45:19.963 --> 00:45:20.545
Thank you guys.

00:45:21.085 --> 00:45:22.387
All right, till next time, brother.

00:45:22.387 --> 00:45:23.128
Thank you Okay.

00:45:23.128 --> 00:45:28.155
Bye-bye, all right here we go?

00:45:28.581 --> 00:45:31.900
We're going to keep going, though, just in case anybody's wearing it Like we're only going to play.

00:45:31.940 --> 00:45:32.864
We are rocking it.

00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.144
We were just letting Greg go after 45.

00:45:35.766 --> 00:45:36.387
Hey KJ, oh, yep.

00:45:36.407 --> 00:45:38.211
Let me see, there we go.

00:45:53.114 --> 00:45:56.521
Oh, I guess what is it called?

00:45:56.521 --> 00:46:08.596
Administrative pick, the secretary of defense of the United States who cannot seem to keep his antics out of the news cycle.

00:46:08.596 --> 00:46:10.702
What are your thoughts?

00:46:10.702 --> 00:46:16.862
I know, initially, when we first heard about his pick, I was like, hey, man, the guy's not ready.

00:46:16.862 --> 00:46:22.679
And then so far he is acting like a captain who's never been in command.

00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:26.148
I mean, his nose is he's focused on.

00:46:26.148 --> 00:46:31.639
He's focused on enlisted stuff, you know, worried about the fitness of the troops, worried about uniform stuff like that.

00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.425
That's not a commander's responsibility.

00:46:34.425 --> 00:46:39.074
And he's getting his, he's getting his hand slapped too much for this.

00:46:39.260 --> 00:46:41.561
This signal that every week, it seems, is another incident with signal.

00:46:41.561 --> 00:46:43.505
Every week, it seems, is another incident with Signal.

00:46:43.505 --> 00:46:53.976
This last week was he had a gray line ran to his computer in the Pentagon because the cell signal was shot.

00:46:53.976 --> 00:47:01.501
What do you?

00:47:01.501 --> 00:47:07.429
I don't know if he's going to survive the entire term, because Trump doesn't like chaos, trump does not like messiness.

00:47:07.429 --> 00:47:10.375
Right, like low back, yeah, and hexf just cannot see.

00:47:10.375 --> 00:47:24.289
Everyone else kind of rolls with the flow and, and you know they have their hiccups here and there, but hexf, just he's that one friend that you always have to be like hey, I'm going out with so and so and your wife kind of gives you that look like are you okay?

00:47:24.289 --> 00:47:25.431
You know what I mean?

00:47:30.880 --> 00:47:34.208
He just, he just gives me frat boy mentality for a 50 year old, and that's not.

00:47:34.208 --> 00:47:35.452
I don't mean that as a compliment.

00:47:35.452 --> 00:47:36.375
Um few thoughts on him Now.

00:47:36.375 --> 00:47:41.789
I am not as focused on him as you are, so I I honestly, if you say he did something, I'm not going to say, oh, why he didn't?

00:47:41.789 --> 00:47:46.980
I don't know thing.

00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:48.342
I'm not going to say, oh, what he didn't, I don't know.

00:47:48.342 --> 00:47:57.780
I will say this the idea that they put a nipper line into his office so he could use whatever kind of strikes me as not real, not a real story.

00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:04.885
I was stationed at the NSA as a chaplain with an intel unit for three years as a chaplain with an Intel unit for three years Now.

00:48:04.945 --> 00:48:11.291
Before that, if you don't know my background, I was an Intel analyst for 10 years before that.

00:48:11.291 --> 00:48:13.811
I've had a TSSCI since about 2000.

00:48:13.811 --> 00:48:19.797
Well, I first applied in 2005 when it switched over, so I think it was originally granted in like 2006 or something.

00:48:19.797 --> 00:48:25.820
So I'm going to misrepresent, but during that time as an Intel analyst, I saw one piece of live TSSCI.

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:27.063
That's it, One piece.

00:48:27.063 --> 00:48:29.971
I was at Air National Guard in Alabama during drill.

00:48:29.971 --> 00:48:32.007
They had a drone footage going.

00:48:32.007 --> 00:48:34.579
I was like, oh look, oh, it says top secret SCI up there.

00:48:34.579 --> 00:48:37.106
Oh, that's real top secret stuff.

00:48:37.106 --> 00:48:39.219
Oh, I mean, it was nothing, it was.

00:48:39.219 --> 00:48:44.793
It was a drone footage from you know three thousand feet up to circling some little outpost in Afghanistan.

00:48:44.793 --> 00:48:47.726
Footage from you know 3000 feet up to circling some little outpost in Afghanistan.

00:48:47.726 --> 00:48:48.510
So didn't really mean anything.

00:48:48.530 --> 00:48:59.088
And then, as a chaplain, when I finally got onto the NSA side, I walked in and I go to my desk and like, all right, here's your nipper computer, here's your TSSCI computer, your top secret computer, here's how you switch.

00:48:59.088 --> 00:49:00.172
I went what do you mean?

00:49:00.172 --> 00:49:01.099
What Like?

00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:10.335
There's like I literally can click a button, log in and put Iran and it will say you know, here, here's the search.

00:49:10.335 --> 00:49:19.364
And I probably I probably should have learned how to, how to manipulate the search engine better than I did, but I could see stuff right off the bat.

00:49:19.364 --> 00:49:22.952
Here's TSCI stuff, no foreign, and all these different things.

00:49:22.952 --> 00:49:26.250
It's like oh wow, you know, I've I've lived in Taiwan for two years.

00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:28.748
What's Taiwan and China and some of these things?

00:49:28.748 --> 00:49:31.628
But I did have the nipper line right there.

00:49:31.628 --> 00:49:39.219
So I don't think that that's the case, that he didn't have a, a nipper line in his office.

00:49:39.219 --> 00:49:42.105
I have a hard time believing that that.

00:49:42.105 --> 00:49:48.815
That would be like somebody saying hey, he had a satellite dish put onto the Pentagon so he could watch Fox news.

00:49:49.742 --> 00:49:51.407
All those guys have TVs.

00:49:51.909 --> 00:49:54.527
Right, the issue isn't that he had a green.

00:49:54.527 --> 00:50:03.983
The issue is he had the gray line put on his computer to type on signal and then text his mother.

00:50:03.983 --> 00:50:06.791
Uh, top secret plans.

00:50:06.791 --> 00:50:14.369
Like he, for whatever reason, he cannot grasp the concept of who needs to know, right?

00:50:14.369 --> 00:50:25.887
So so far he's tried to get his wife a secret clearance and then now it comes out that he's texting his mother.

00:50:25.887 --> 00:50:32.856
Like his brother has some kind of leeway because he is a director of, like he's in the Department of Homeland Security.

00:50:34.746 --> 00:50:35.168
So, yeah.

00:50:35.208 --> 00:50:42.505
So to text him on to text top secret information on signal is a no go, first and foremost.

00:50:42.505 --> 00:51:03.974
But when you're talking to your brother who is also in the Intel know, intel adjacent, all right, cool, but the the problem I have is when you're texting your mother and your sister and your cousin, people who have absolutely no business with this information, and you cannot seem to stop it that.

00:51:03.974 --> 00:51:07.929
So the first time I'm like, okay, cool signal gate on the plane.

00:51:07.929 --> 00:51:10.315
Whatever I got it, he put in the wrong guy.

00:51:10.315 --> 00:51:13.293
Then it's like yo, now you're texting your wife and your brother.

00:51:13.967 --> 00:51:15.072
That wasn't Hexeth, though.

00:51:15.072 --> 00:51:17.373
That was somebody else who set up the wrong one.

00:51:17.905 --> 00:51:21.994
Yeah, somebody set it up, but it was Hexeth who was doing the texting of the top secret plan.

00:51:25.547 --> 00:51:26.130
I think, that.

00:51:26.150 --> 00:51:26.510
Hold on.

00:51:26.510 --> 00:51:30.590
Let me finish that first one.

00:51:30.590 --> 00:51:32.072
All right, cool, I got it.

00:51:32.072 --> 00:51:34.355
Accidents happen.

00:51:34.355 --> 00:51:37.280
He thought the line was secure because somebody else said look cool.

00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:50.672
Then you find out that he's now had a separate signal chat after the fact with his brother and his wife, who has absolutely no security clearance.

00:51:50.672 --> 00:51:51.554
She doesn't even have a role in government.

00:51:51.554 --> 00:51:53.498
And you're like all right, secdef, you really got to chill out, bro.

00:51:53.498 --> 00:51:54.201
What's the problem?

00:51:54.201 --> 00:52:02.853
And then a week after that you find out he's texting his mother Top secret Like what the hell man?

00:52:04.086 --> 00:52:16.461
I think you have a better argument with the texting his mom, who does not have a clearance and doesn't have need to know, than some of the others and the reason I say that is there's a.

00:52:16.521 --> 00:52:17.706
Yeah, you should have known better.

00:52:17.706 --> 00:52:18.809
I get that part right.

00:52:18.809 --> 00:52:25.068
The argument is well, if we're talking about this stuff, it's not classified, it's not top secret until it is.

00:52:25.068 --> 00:52:26.971
Who classified all that stuff?

00:52:26.971 --> 00:52:27.190
Right?

00:52:27.190 --> 00:52:34.041
So if the question becomes who authorized Signal?

00:52:34.125 --> 00:52:55.070
Apparently that was the Biden administration that said you can use Signal to have these cross conversations within the government, and there's definitely a should have known, like, hey, that's what spillage is by taking and everybody that's in government, everybody that deals with classified materials, has to take these classes.

00:52:55.070 --> 00:53:00.476
Now, to be fair, a lot of people go click, click, click through classes.

00:53:00.476 --> 00:53:11.447
I would hope that somebody in his staff, who's the S2 guy, is going into and saying hey, look, we need to really have a real death side conversation about this stuff.

00:53:11.447 --> 00:53:21.268
Um, I, I do wonder, and and again, this is not just justifying I don't know I do wonder how much of these were.

00:53:21.268 --> 00:53:34.215
Um, all the same incident that is now being recycled two or three times like is, or if they're different, and if they're different and if they're different, again, there needs to be yeah, they've already cleared that it was different.

00:53:34.505 --> 00:53:35.869
It was literally different.

00:53:35.869 --> 00:53:36.532
These were different.

00:53:36.532 --> 00:53:39.088
These were different, not in this past.

00:53:40.492 --> 00:53:44.532
So initially, no, initially we had the Signalgate thing.

00:53:44.532 --> 00:53:49.887
That was one incident, right, but that was the Houthis, that was the bombing of the Houthis, right.

00:53:49.887 --> 00:53:56.634
So then you had the, then you had the Elon trying to get in on the China mission, which was all right, on the China briefing.

00:53:56.634 --> 00:53:58.356
What did Hexeth have to do with that one?

00:53:58.936 --> 00:54:01.940
Because he said it was Hexeth, yeah, this is Hexeth.

00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:03.742
Hexeth set up the meeting with Elon.

00:54:03.742 --> 00:54:13.467
He didn't clear it with President Trump.

00:54:13.467 --> 00:54:14.992
Trump didn't know that Elon was supposed to attend the brief.

00:54:14.992 --> 00:54:21.976
So Hexeth invited Elon to attend the top secret brief on China without informing the president, because I got to believe that the president would be like nah, nah, he don't need to be in there.

00:54:21.976 --> 00:54:23.690
All right, but that's I don't know if that's true.

00:54:23.690 --> 00:54:27.972
Well, no, it's true, because it's true, because they've already reported and vetted it.

00:54:28.132 --> 00:54:31.045
So that's two no, that's not what I.

00:54:31.045 --> 00:54:32.809
What I mean is I don't know.

00:54:32.809 --> 00:54:42.527
Do you think, do you think that if if hex had gone to trump and said, hey, I want to invite I I assume you want elon in on this meeting don't you think trump at that point goes?

00:54:42.547 --> 00:54:49.112
well, yeah, of course well, no, I can only go by what trump said and the potus said he didn't know, and if he had known, he would have told him not to invite him.

00:54:49.172 --> 00:54:50.295
No, not that.

00:54:50.295 --> 00:54:50.516
Oh.

00:54:50.516 --> 00:54:52.873
Did Trump follow it up and say if I had known.

00:54:54.208 --> 00:54:56.572
Yeah, the POTUS was asked about it and he was like no, I didn't know.

00:54:56.572 --> 00:54:58.690
But all right, cool.

00:54:58.690 --> 00:55:00.489
So you know, that may just be.

00:55:01.773 --> 00:55:02.295
Okay, sorry.

00:55:03.905 --> 00:55:04.746
But that's two.

00:55:04.746 --> 00:55:08.088
I got you, but that's two right, so that's two separate incidents.

00:55:08.088 --> 00:55:18.277
Yeah, then you get to the third incident of him texting his brother and his wife about Intel meetings and some stuff that's going on.

00:55:18.277 --> 00:55:22.521
They didn't get into specifics on that, but then they released the fourth one with his mother.

00:55:22.521 --> 00:55:24.422
They just released those text messages.

00:55:28.085 --> 00:55:31.789
So you got four separate incidents where it's like hey, man, what were the contents?

00:55:31.789 --> 00:55:32.349
Was it released?

00:55:32.349 --> 00:55:41.239
What the contents of third and fourth were, because I thought it was something where, like with the wife or whatever it was that same information as the Houthis stuff.

00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:42.300
Is it different?

00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:58.534
It could have been the same information, just in a different thread after it came out, and so that's kind of where I wonder how much of this is getting recycled, because I read something about whistleblowers and they were saying hey, he also set this one up, but it was the same incident.

00:55:58.534 --> 00:55:59.617
So I don't know.

00:55:59.697 --> 00:56:11.119
But I will say this as far as Trump goes, a Trump seems like the type of person because we have talked about his wanting to be the end-all, be-all right.

00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:12.652
He needs to be the one in charge.

00:56:12.652 --> 00:56:19.858
And so if they ask him and say, hey, did you authorize Hegseth to say this?

00:56:19.858 --> 00:56:27.275
And Trump going well, no, of course not, is Trump then like oh, I never would have allowed Trump being Trump.

00:56:27.275 --> 00:56:28.409
I don't know.

00:56:28.409 --> 00:56:30.518
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump at that point would go.

00:56:30.518 --> 00:56:30.693
No, of course not.

00:56:30.693 --> 00:56:33.313
I don't know it wouldn't surprise me if Trump at that point would have said no, of course not, I wouldn't have let him.

00:56:33.313 --> 00:56:36.048
And, realistically, if they had, would Trump have gone?

00:56:36.048 --> 00:56:37.092
Well, yeah, sure, of course.

00:56:37.552 --> 00:56:38.155
So I don't know.

00:56:38.576 --> 00:56:38.876
It's just.

00:56:38.876 --> 00:57:01.688
But when you got, if this becomes enough of a story and obviously so far it hasn't enough of a story, and obviously so far it hasn't but when it becomes enough of a story that Trump starts looking at Hegseth, going dude, you're making me look bad that's when Trump will cut him loose.

00:57:01.688 --> 00:57:26.487
Because as long as Trump believes that and I think Trump has shown this as long as Trump thinks that Hegseth is still good enough because I think there's also that idea of Trump, I think is a pretty loyal person as long as he feels like he's getting the loyalty back, His pick cost him a lot of political capital.

00:57:26.509 --> 00:57:28.690
He had to grease a lot upon to get Hegseth.

00:57:29.726 --> 00:57:48.086
Yeah, he did and, and the irony of that is matt gates I, I think he had to pick between him and matt gates and matt gates decided to go nope, pop smoke, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go sit down and I think matt gates honestly, I think he thought he was gonna get that senator seat in yeah, yeah, yeah and then sandus went nah, I'm good.

00:57:48.086 --> 00:57:51.836
Yeah, I don't need somebody who's been accused of pedophilia as a senator.

00:57:52.505 --> 00:57:53.387
Just the accusations.

00:57:53.427 --> 00:57:55.574
enough for me to say I don't think that's a good idea.

00:57:55.574 --> 00:58:12.603
So good on good on DeSantis, by the way, for thinking that even if again, even if it's not true, there's a point where you go and I've been accused falsely of stuff too but there's a point where it's kind of like, depending on how bad it is, you kind of go with what came out when you have Matt Gaetz going.

00:58:12.603 --> 00:58:14.411
Well, no, I'm not a pedophile.

00:58:14.411 --> 00:58:16.952
Well, yeah, I paid prostitutes, but I'm not a pedophile.

00:58:17.144 --> 00:58:20.793
It's like oh dude okay, so time out, you what now?

00:58:20.793 --> 00:58:32.838
So when Hegseth and you know, I think the other part of Hegseth is he, because he did use so much capital, he's under that spotlight, that keg light on him.

00:58:32.838 --> 00:58:44.938
And so even you said, look, during that meeting he, he had his drink and you know, during the he used something, he took a little sip and it looked like and I'm going everybody does like you always see what.

00:58:44.938 --> 00:58:52.528
I assume that Now, if you're able to come back and say, hey, that was vodka, I would have been like, oh, you got to cut this dude loose.

00:58:52.909 --> 00:58:54.909
I don't know what his sobriety has been like.

00:58:55.230 --> 00:59:03.315
There's been there's been some reports that he has been having more celebratory drinks because of the stress.

00:59:03.715 --> 00:59:06.737
And listen, man whatever you're comfortable doing it to that.

00:59:06.817 --> 00:59:12.940
Yeah, whatever you do, which is fine, you're a grown man and I get it you had to say what you had to say to get confirmed.

00:59:12.940 --> 00:59:15.862
Nobody believed that you would stop drinking once you got confirmed.

00:59:15.862 --> 00:59:27.324
But when, when it starts becoming more than a rumor that you're conducting interviews, you know I'm saying like squeaky wheels after a while you'd be like all right, bro.

00:59:27.324 --> 00:59:29.972
The first time it's like ha ha yeah.

00:59:29.972 --> 00:59:30.934
Yeah, he used to be a drunk.

00:59:30.934 --> 00:59:39.014
But when you're starting, when Fox News starts to be like hey, pete, are you okay?

00:59:39.014 --> 00:59:41.971
Something should be pinging in your ear.

00:59:41.971 --> 00:59:47.527
You're probably a little too far into the juice.

00:59:48.268 --> 00:59:56.775
I'll say this Unsubstantiated, unsubstantiated, completely unsubstantiated there are a lot of people on the right who believe that Kamala Harris Liked her vino quite a bit.

00:59:56.775 --> 01:00:00.159
I agree On Saturday Night Live.

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:10.434
So I agree, when you're talking about anybody who is in a position of authority, that you have to worry about Inebriation, because inebriation is something.

01:00:10.434 --> 01:00:14.927
That alcohol is basically evil in a lot of ways.

01:00:14.927 --> 01:00:16.050
I'm not a fan.

01:00:16.050 --> 01:00:16.932
I've said before.

01:00:16.932 --> 01:00:19.947
I think alcohol is one of the most evil substances in the world.

01:00:19.947 --> 01:00:23.092
It doesn't do any good.

01:00:23.092 --> 01:00:41.768
And if you have to worry about your secretary of defense or any senior leader, I mean this could go like realistically as a chaplain if, if I had a company commander who soldiers, came to me and said, hey, chaplain man, you know, or a first sergeant comes to me and goes, my commander man, I you know, I came in.

01:00:42.329 --> 01:00:46.746
I remember certain first class this was back when I was an E5, first class.

01:00:46.746 --> 01:00:56.052
I found out he had a bottle in his drawer and he would invite other E7s to drink after hours-ish.

01:00:56.052 --> 01:01:06.153
It may have been one or two shots in before the bell rang and for me I'm going, and I was the Intel guy going.

01:01:06.153 --> 01:01:10.873
Really, I mean that's at what point do I take this to the command?

01:01:10.873 --> 01:01:17.449
I didn't, because it wasn't necessarily in my place and from what I understood it wasn't affecting his his job but um.

01:01:17.449 --> 01:01:24.969
At the same time, a few months later he got charged with solicitation of a prostitute while he was tdy.

01:01:24.969 --> 01:01:30.518
So my guess is he wasn't overtly sober when that phone call happened.

01:01:30.518 --> 01:01:41.356
So when you're talking about an E7 doing, if it's not okay for an E7 to be doing this, it's probably not okay for you.

01:01:41.356 --> 01:01:44.240
Know, the GS scale for civilians goes to GS-15.

01:01:44.240 --> 01:01:48.134
I think the Secretary of Defense is like a GS-37.

01:01:48.134 --> 01:01:50.588
Yeah, or whatever.

01:01:50.588 --> 01:01:51.731
The defense is like a gs37.

01:01:51.731 --> 01:01:52.193
Yeah, like or whatever.

01:01:52.193 --> 01:01:52.956
The number is um.

01:01:52.956 --> 01:02:06.208
But again, until, until it becomes either hexeth becomes unloyal to trump or there is enough splashback that trump believes hexeth is making him look bad.

01:02:06.789 --> 01:02:21.572
I think he will stick with him because even though what you said was Hegseth shouldn't be worrying about the ACFT and shouldn't be worrying about height, weight and all that, I would argue the exact opposite.

01:02:21.572 --> 01:02:22.735
That is what you want.

01:02:22.735 --> 01:02:22.974
Now.

01:02:22.974 --> 01:02:30.498
The difference is normally you get that from the command sergeant, major of the army is who's the one who's saying, hey, we need to make these changes?

01:02:30.498 --> 01:02:33.753
But the army, I think, as a whole.

01:02:34.786 --> 01:02:44.898
Now and I will be very clear here, I am not in contact with a lot of soldiers on post at the moment because I'm in I'm in the retirement frame.

01:02:44.898 --> 01:02:59.461
I am not dealing with soldiers, but my guess is most soldiers who see this are probably pretty supportive of him still because he's still talking a good game about, only about taking care of soldiers.

01:02:59.461 --> 01:03:05.378
Soldiers don't generally care about the politics of things.

01:03:05.378 --> 01:03:09.112
They want to look up and say they want to see somebody going.

01:03:09.112 --> 01:03:11.306
We need to take care of this soldier Now.

01:03:11.306 --> 01:03:21.735
They also don't really recognize a lot of times when that leader who is saying that is at the same time saying turn around and stabbing him in the back before they kick him out the door.

01:03:21.735 --> 01:03:31.054
So I don't know, but I think in general, I think soldiers probably like that he is trying to be the frat guy buddy.

01:03:32.829 --> 01:03:33.914
I don't think he's long term.

01:03:33.914 --> 01:03:37.434
You're not in the threads, my brother.

01:03:37.434 --> 01:03:38.248
Let me tell you.

01:03:39.945 --> 01:03:41.150
No, I don't do anything online.

01:03:41.190 --> 01:03:49.239
Yeah, as someone who has his ear to the ground, they are very upset that they keep changing the APFT.

01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:57.592
That's not something a set dev should want you, and again, that comes with experience.

01:03:57.592 --> 01:04:02.253
He hasn't served anything higher than company grade.

01:04:05.771 --> 01:04:06.512
He was field grade.

01:04:06.512 --> 01:04:08.538
No, he was acting field grade.

01:04:08.538 --> 01:04:09.668
I thought he was a major.

01:04:09.668 --> 01:04:09.846
He never got major.

01:04:09.846 --> 01:04:10.003
He was field grade.

01:04:10.003 --> 01:04:10.744
No, he was acting field grade and he was an acting field grader.

01:04:10.690 --> 01:04:11.271
I thought he was a major.

01:04:11.271 --> 01:04:11.400
I thought he was a major.

01:04:11.400 --> 01:04:12.768
No, he never got major.

01:04:12.768 --> 01:04:15.173
He was a captain and a major, yeah.

01:04:15.173 --> 01:04:21.452
So I mean, remember we gave the sergeant major VP pick shit for that, right, that's why I said my bad, that's what I'm saying.

01:04:21.452 --> 01:04:34.367
So you know, as long as we keep it, yeah, as long, keep it.

01:04:34.367 --> 01:04:36.293
Even he never served in anything higher than the company grade position.

01:04:36.293 --> 01:04:39.902
So his thinking is company grade stuff, right, you don't have the garrison commander.

01:04:39.902 --> 01:04:53.501
Yeah, you don't have the garrison commander coming down to the unit level saying, hey, we got a problem with fatness and fitness and this and that, hey, we got a problem with fatness and fitness, and this, that and the other.

01:04:53.521 --> 01:04:54.402
They're not there.

01:04:54.402 --> 01:04:59.367
They're not there, Chappy, Did we never?

01:04:59.387 --> 01:05:00.871
have a battalion commander coming through the motor pool.

01:05:00.871 --> 01:05:02.496
That's not what I said, though that's not what I said.

01:05:02.496 --> 01:05:09.990
A battalion commander is supposed to care about the fitness of his troops because it directly impacts him.

01:05:09.990 --> 01:05:13.981
When you have the the garrison commander, when you have the post commander coming to your unit, okay yeah.

01:05:13.981 --> 01:05:22.371
When you have a post commander coming to your unit saying, hey, we have a problem with fitness, you got a whole bunch of levels of commanders saying hey sir, we appreciate it.

01:05:22.411 --> 01:05:29.193
But, um, yeah, check, and roger, I need you to go worry about the post, right, because we got this here.

01:05:29.193 --> 01:05:44.918
So when you have the secretary of defense, who is supposed to be on a strategic level, coming down to the operational level, that's an issue and it shows his inexperience and his inability to serve at that capacity.

01:05:44.918 --> 01:05:52.630
I'm all for shaking things up, but he lacks the experience to serve and it's showing and it's only going to get worse.

01:05:52.630 --> 01:05:57.927
He's making you can say what you want, but he is making captain level, he's making lieutenant level mistakes.

01:05:57.927 --> 01:06:03.298
Right, as a platoon sergeant, I have to tell my lieutenant hey sir, don't text our conduct plan.

01:06:03.298 --> 01:06:05.449
Don't text our conduct plans on signal.

01:06:05.449 --> 01:06:06.532
That's a bad idea.

01:06:06.532 --> 01:06:08.838
Hey, sir, don't use your phone when we're in the field.

01:06:08.838 --> 01:06:15.690
Hey sir, you need noise and light, discipline, right.

01:06:15.730 --> 01:06:29.079
So now I have a secretary of defense who's acting like a lieutenant who doesn't have NCO support, right, because if he had NCO support, if he just listened to his NCOs, they would probably tell him hey, sir, that's not a comment you need to make, you need to stay in your lane, focus on, and he's not listening to it.

01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:32.050
It's one thing to be inexperienced for a position.

01:06:32.050 --> 01:06:35.606
It's another thing to be inexperienced and not listen to your leadership.

01:06:35.606 --> 01:06:38.336
Every commander has a sergeant major for a reason.

01:06:38.336 --> 01:06:45.416
Right, they have a sergeant major for a reason and right now the sick death is flying by the seat of his pants and he's not taking.

01:06:45.416 --> 01:06:49.012
He's not taking wise counsel and it's making everybody look bad.

01:06:49.052 --> 01:06:53.893
That's my point, that's yeah, and that's what I was just about to say is what greg was saying.

01:06:53.893 --> 01:06:56.568
Um, that trump is flying by the seat of his pants.

01:06:56.568 --> 01:06:59.635
I think hegs hegseth probably is doing that a little bit as well.

01:06:59.635 --> 01:07:09.885
Um and like, for me, I mean, I tell you right now and this is this is a a drama of continuing to bang.

01:07:09.885 --> 01:07:18.476
If you're going to change the ACFT and you're going to make these stupid little changes, why, until you get rid of the two-mile run, I don't need a change.

01:07:18.476 --> 01:07:20.268
Get rid of the.

01:07:20.268 --> 01:07:22.007
You know what it's like when we talk about.

01:07:22.007 --> 01:07:25.938
If Trump gets rid of the term limits, then he will be the best.

01:07:25.938 --> 01:07:37.976
If Hegseth gets rid of the two-mile run and makes it a one-time 400-meter run with a kettlebell that simulates an ammo can or a 200-yard run, I will say best tech to FF.

01:07:38.579 --> 01:07:41.251
That's the same thing that other soldiers on the ground.

01:07:41.251 --> 01:07:48.733
They're like yo, dude, you got rid of the wrong stuff, you're taking away stuff, you're adding stuff, but you still got a mile run left in why.

01:07:48.733 --> 01:07:49.215
You know.

01:07:49.215 --> 01:07:50.295
I'm saying like, what are you doing?

01:07:50.835 --> 01:07:58.181
yeah, well, and like you just said, though, I mean I don't know how much that's heg seth going down and saying, hey, you guys need to figure something out, change it.

01:07:58.181 --> 01:07:59.465
But that's been happening.

01:07:59.465 --> 01:08:02.193
I mean, how many times since we first came into the military?

01:08:02.193 --> 01:08:07.050
You know, we both came in right around 2000 how many times has the acft, prt, aft, acft?

01:08:07.050 --> 01:08:10.315
I mean, how many times has the ACFT, prt, aft, acft?

01:08:10.315 --> 01:08:12.420
I mean, how many times has this dumb thing changed?

01:08:12.460 --> 01:08:19.805
Like I get evolving with the science in terms of, hey, sit-ups are actually pretty bad for your neck and back.

01:08:19.805 --> 01:08:21.810
I can personally attest to that.

01:08:21.810 --> 01:08:34.320
I'm hoping the VA recognizes how bad they are for my neck and back, because 25 years in, I think sit-ups and push-ups did more to my back than just about anything, along with loaded down ruck marches and things like that.

01:08:34.320 --> 01:08:42.615
And I was never even in Afghanistan with the guys who were going on the full-on rucks the actual reason you train for a ruck march.

01:08:42.615 --> 01:08:49.893
But again, I think that Hegseth is I don't want to say he's bulletproof.

01:08:49.893 --> 01:08:53.797
Again, I think that Hegseth is I don't want to say he's bulletproof I think he's Teflon.

01:08:53.899 --> 01:09:02.828
Until the Teflon wears off and once it starts sticking and Trump sees that it's sticking, he'll get replaced with a new pan.

01:09:02.828 --> 01:09:04.810
Yeah, it's almost like you have the Joint Chiefs there.

01:09:04.810 --> 01:09:08.376
You're not listening to them Like you're not doing.

01:09:08.376 --> 01:09:09.537
It's just.

01:09:09.537 --> 01:09:21.922
I don't like the inexperience at that level and I'll give you I'm not really a fan of I can't really say that I'm a fan of any pick so far.

01:09:21.922 --> 01:09:24.805
I mean Cash is kind of like half and half Like Cash.

01:09:24.805 --> 01:09:27.314
I'm like all right cool so far-ish.

01:09:27.314 --> 01:09:30.171
Still not cool with arresting judges, but I got it.

01:09:30.171 --> 01:09:31.055
I understand why.

01:09:31.055 --> 01:09:34.595
You know you, it was political, but it was also.

01:09:34.595 --> 01:09:38.768
I mean it was political but it was also pointed right like she broke the law.

01:09:39.288 --> 01:09:49.814
So I look at like this if she was driving down the street doing um 85 in a 45, she should have been arrested, yeah I got.

01:09:49.814 --> 01:09:52.078
You or I get arrested for that.

01:09:52.604 --> 01:09:54.231
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

01:09:54.885 --> 01:10:01.372
So on the surface, I'll say this Sorry about the administration, Real quick.

01:10:01.372 --> 01:10:04.173
The cabinet, I think Rubio's done really well.

01:10:04.173 --> 01:10:08.207
I think, more than not.

01:10:08.207 --> 01:10:12.395
They've actually been pretty solid, simply because you're not seeing much about them.

01:10:12.395 --> 01:10:20.378
Like you, you're not supposed to know what is going on in the, in the HUD department, or what's going on in the.

01:10:20.378 --> 01:10:21.487
You know what I mean.

01:10:21.487 --> 01:10:22.832
Yeah, I'm not really.

01:10:22.832 --> 01:10:24.805
Yeah, I'm with you, I am with so.

01:10:24.824 --> 01:10:26.225
So the squeaky wheel is going to get the noise.

01:10:26.225 --> 01:10:45.164
So the squeaky wheel is going to get the noise, and right now I don't know about the other cabinet members, but if I was a cabinet member, I'd be like keep Hegseth, Keep him, because he's going to be the guy that's taking every I mean every mistake he makes and everything they are.

01:10:45.164 --> 01:10:49.390
All it's all going to him, and so I can just do my job and just kind of not have to worry about it.

01:10:49.390 --> 01:10:56.621
I can still show up in DC restaurants, and and nobody's going to know who I am, Cause, like I, I can't pick out.

01:10:56.621 --> 01:10:58.492
I know who Linda McMahon is.

01:10:58.492 --> 01:11:01.253
I watched WWE 20 years ago.

01:11:01.253 --> 01:11:04.949
I know who she is now, though, If I saw Linda I seen pictures of her.

01:11:04.949 --> 01:11:06.105
I went the first time I saw her.

01:11:06.105 --> 01:11:06.886
This last one I went.

01:11:06.886 --> 01:11:09.408
Is that what Linda McMahon looks like?

01:11:09.408 --> 01:11:11.470
Oh, OK, I mean.

01:11:11.730 --> 01:11:20.698
So if I was a captain member I'd be like please keep him yeah whatever you do, keep Hegs at it, because he is, he is like, he is the shield for everyone.

01:11:20.698 --> 01:11:23.820
No, liberty, liberty, that's my point.

01:11:23.820 --> 01:11:25.301
I was saying she broke the law.

01:11:25.301 --> 01:11:30.957
So I understand why why Director Patel arrested her.

01:11:30.957 --> 01:11:31.092
She did break the law.

01:11:31.092 --> 01:11:31.615
I don't have an issue with that.

01:11:31.615 --> 01:11:34.900
But what I'm saying is two things can be true at the same time.

01:11:34.900 --> 01:11:37.248
He arrested her because she broke the law.

01:11:37.248 --> 01:11:48.930
He also arrested her because he knew that her arrest would score huge political points, because he arrested her based off of a hot button issue she was shuffling an illegal immigrant out the back door.

01:11:48.930 --> 01:11:50.914
So who arrested her?

01:11:50.914 --> 01:11:55.970
H was, it was the HHS.

01:11:57.233 --> 01:11:58.033
Nome's department.

01:11:58.033 --> 01:12:05.868
Do you think Okay, so, so DHS Homeland Security arrested her, or Okay, and I don't know?

01:12:05.868 --> 01:12:20.042
So my question is like do you really think it went up to that where where they called up and said, hey, fbi Director Patel, we want to arrest this judge because she had an illegal immigrant in her courtroom?

01:12:20.042 --> 01:12:30.719
She actively shuffled him through the courtroom and, on her way out, basically signed that he's innocent of all charges, without like.

01:12:30.719 --> 01:12:33.908
From what I read, even the prosecutors were like, wait, what?

01:12:33.908 --> 01:12:35.713
Now she was arrested by the fbi.

01:12:36.735 --> 01:12:37.597
Oh, she was arrested by the.

01:12:37.597 --> 01:12:42.358
Okay so, but on the way out she's getting shuffled through, you know she's.

01:12:42.358 --> 01:12:48.634
It's kind of like the other judge that just got arrested for for harboring gang members.

01:12:48.634 --> 01:12:53.014
Now the judges might go well, you know, I saw something in these young people.

01:12:53.014 --> 01:12:57.832
I just think with the right kind of, but at the same time it's like, dude, you're a judge.

01:12:58.234 --> 01:12:58.434
Yeah.

01:12:58.664 --> 01:13:01.014
Did you really have a gang member living in your house?

01:13:01.014 --> 01:13:03.471
It's a bad look.

01:13:03.552 --> 01:13:21.189
at the very least, that's what I'm saying Like I said, I'm not against her being arrested, but again, I also understand that the opportunity of the FBI arresting the judge will score huge major political points and it'll look good in the cycle, right, it looks good Iting her in the courthouse.

01:13:21.189 --> 01:13:36.368
Right, that was.

01:13:36.368 --> 01:13:37.734
That was that was for the theater.

01:13:39.145 --> 01:13:39.827
That was the answer.

01:13:39.827 --> 01:13:44.837
Yes, right, and going in, going in and arresting her house, you know.

01:13:44.837 --> 01:13:45.979
Say, hey, you know what?

01:13:45.979 --> 01:13:49.891
We've got this warrant for your arrest, you know come on, let's do it.

01:13:49.971 --> 01:13:50.673
That probably.

01:13:50.673 --> 01:13:53.738
But, like you just said, it's part of the show.

01:13:53.738 --> 01:14:06.992
And when you say one of the biggest hot button issues and I don't think this is an understatement Illegal immigration got Trump elected, I think it was probably the number.

01:14:06.992 --> 01:14:16.887
So if Trump turns around and Patel turns around and says this is going to make Trump look really good, see, we're even going to get the judge and she's guilty.

01:14:16.887 --> 01:14:26.667
If you read that now, allegedly, but if you read what she did, if what the indictment says is true, I mean holy crap, but why?

01:14:26.667 --> 01:14:36.413
You know, if you're, if you're Patel, why wouldn't you feel like, yeah, we're going to, hey, let's make, if we're going to do this, let's make it look good, and so you can say it's not good.

01:14:36.413 --> 01:14:39.274
I don't think that's banana republic or fascist type stuff.

01:14:39.274 --> 01:14:56.969
I think, by the same token, when you put yourself, it's almost the exact opposite of.

01:14:56.969 --> 01:14:59.515
You and I were discussing judgment in Nuremberg which, by the way, I'm guessing you didn't have a chance to watch yet.

01:14:59.515 --> 01:14:59.855
I didn't know.

01:14:59.876 --> 01:15:03.385
I just you know I think there is a difference between a judge who is actively going out of their way to break the law and a judge who kind of makes a bad decision.

01:15:03.385 --> 01:15:16.900
There was one in Utah a few weeks ago, a month, month or two ago, where it turned out that one of the, the judge and like the county prosecutors were sharing child porn with each other.

01:15:16.900 --> 01:15:32.331
You know, I'm not going to have a lot of sympathy for the FBI coming in and arresting either of those, you know, and if anything, I want them perp walked, like there's a point where, yeah, these guys need their faces.

01:15:32.331 --> 01:15:59.970
They should be embarrassed, they should be shunned, they should go, if the charge is true, they should go to federal federal prison saying look, judges, if you're not going to follow the law, then you're going to pay the price and we're going to make it blatantly.

01:15:59.970 --> 01:16:01.132
Everybody's going to see it.

01:16:01.132 --> 01:16:03.137
This is not going to be hey, we're just going to be quiet.

01:16:03.137 --> 01:16:14.626
So if you're going to do this stuff, especially when Just last year what was?

01:16:14.646 --> 01:16:15.670
the phrase of democrats no one is above the law.

01:16:15.670 --> 01:16:17.454
The ex-president is above the.

01:16:17.515 --> 01:16:21.185
He's not above the law and now, all of a sudden, it's like how dare you adjust?

01:16:21.407 --> 01:16:22.710
the arrested judge.

01:16:22.710 --> 01:16:26.686
Just because she broke the law, I mean she should have she, they should be giving her.

01:16:26.747 --> 01:16:30.865
It's like wait no no, you don't get this both ways.

01:16:30.865 --> 01:16:32.470
And this goes back.

01:16:32.470 --> 01:16:34.336
I'm going to go old school.

01:16:34.336 --> 01:16:39.528
This goes back to the Harry Reid lessons on politicizing.

01:16:39.528 --> 01:17:08.252
If you change the rules and you set a new set of rules, like Harry Reid did with the nuclear option of lowering, how many votes needed to be done, or Harry Reid absolutely lying through his teeth about Mitt Romney and his taxes when you do that, you don't get to call foul later on when the other side does it, and so would I hope that the Republicans would be better than that, of course Do I think they are.

01:17:08.252 --> 01:17:09.475
They're in politics.

01:17:09.475 --> 01:17:12.390
No, they're going to use everything.

01:17:12.390 --> 01:17:14.390
So none of this surprises me.

01:17:14.390 --> 01:17:22.229
I do think that, as far as the optics go, I'm against you in terms of.

01:17:22.229 --> 01:17:24.470
I think that there is much more.

01:17:24.470 --> 01:17:28.234
Yay, go get this evil judge, not evil.

01:17:28.618 --> 01:17:56.185
yay, go get this judge who is supporting illegal immigrants more than hey the president, arresting a judge that might be fascist, whoever it was.

01:17:56.185 --> 01:18:12.877
You know, we don't like this judge because she, she was freeing these, these, not detainees the suspects who we think, you know, we, the, the court had had come on the docket and instead of, instead of putting them in jail for the five to 10 years excuse me, five to 10 years we were expecting, she was consistently releasing them on their own recognizance.

01:18:12.877 --> 01:18:30.112
So coming in and arresting the judge for doing that, I think is very different than this lady snuck somebody out because she wanted to protect them when she knew ICE was coming to detain this suspect alleged of a felony.

01:18:30.112 --> 01:18:35.676
So, yeah, I mean, and I get going all the way back.

01:18:35.885 --> 01:18:38.814
Thad was saying, you know, hey, everybody, due process, and I get that.

01:18:38.814 --> 01:18:56.095
And I think that it's tough because the Trump administration I don't know who said when he was first deported, the Maryland man oh, he was accidentally deported, it shouldn't have happened, okay.

01:18:56.095 --> 01:19:03.238
But the minute you say that, I don't think whoever said that had the authorization to say it, because he never should have said it.

01:19:04.645 --> 01:19:08.436
Yeah, he shouldn't have said it, but it was true though it might be true, sure.

01:19:09.265 --> 01:19:11.770
But you don't say it, yeah, and, but it was true, it might be true, sure, yeah.

01:19:11.770 --> 01:19:14.395
And the other problem is now now becomes a problem.

01:19:14.395 --> 01:19:16.238
You guys, you and I have talked about this.

01:19:16.238 --> 01:19:29.429
Ok, this guy, first of all, the Maryland death.

01:19:29.429 --> 01:19:31.438
He is only going to be brought back to America if El Salvador says we're going to let him go back.

01:19:31.438 --> 01:19:32.984
A, b, the El Salvador president has said, nope, he's not coming back.

01:19:32.984 --> 01:19:43.693
But at the same time he let the senator have drinks with him and it didn't look like he was all the worse for wear and I don't mean to downplay the.

01:19:44.425 --> 01:19:53.006
They've since transferred him from the max security prison to a version of Club Med, which is good for him, I guess.

01:19:53.086 --> 01:20:08.328
I mean all things considered but so and that's my point is that that I think that you may have a situation where the el salvador president starts to go okay, well, I'm going to send him back.

01:20:08.328 --> 01:20:13.137
Uh, because it's covering my bases and Trump's going to be here.

01:20:13.137 --> 01:20:16.994
Maybe in this case, it would be better to send him back.

01:20:16.994 --> 01:20:24.625
And if he gets sent back don't think that it's going to be sent back and he's going to be released immediately to his family.

01:20:24.625 --> 01:20:27.635
The first thing that happens, he hits the ground.

01:20:27.635 --> 01:20:34.658
I can write the script right now they send him back, he's brought back on a military plane.

01:20:34.658 --> 01:20:42.636
He's taken from the military plane at Reagan or BWI or wherever the local air force they decide to land.

01:20:42.636 --> 01:20:47.229
He's put into a vehicle, he's driven up, driven over to the courthouse.

01:20:47.229 --> 01:20:50.578
The immigration judge is right there ready to go with the file.

01:20:51.604 --> 01:20:52.448
Where's your lawyers?

01:20:52.448 --> 01:20:53.570
They're going to warn the lawyers.

01:20:53.570 --> 01:20:54.774
The lawyers are going to be there.

01:20:54.774 --> 01:20:57.912
They're going to say okay, we're going to fast track this docket.

01:20:57.912 --> 01:20:59.516
So what have you had to say?

01:20:59.516 --> 01:21:03.453
They're going to do it in a day or two and the judge is going to make a decision.

01:21:03.453 --> 01:21:09.453
And my guess is they're going to rescind the hold order that was issued in 2019.

01:21:09.453 --> 01:21:15.789
And the judge is going to say well, look, let's see your knuckles, let's see if there's tattoos there.

01:21:15.789 --> 01:21:17.215
Let's see.

01:21:17.215 --> 01:21:20.595
Hey, is this a legitimate report that you abused your wife?

01:21:20.595 --> 01:21:24.234
Yeah, I find there probable cause to revoke your green card.

01:21:24.234 --> 01:21:26.390
Revoke, he's on a plane right back out.

01:21:26.390 --> 01:21:29.149
Sure, now, you could have that.

01:21:29.149 --> 01:21:36.774
I think that's probably what happens if he's brought back and then the Trump White House goes see, we were just trying to save the American people.

01:21:36.774 --> 01:21:38.057
Yes, he should.

01:21:38.057 --> 01:21:40.372
Obviously, we should have done this first.

01:21:40.372 --> 01:21:42.252
And it won't be Trump, of course, it'll be somebody.

01:21:42.385 --> 01:21:44.854
Not a set up at all Sorry.

01:21:45.145 --> 01:21:47.627
Hey, me and Colba, we should have done this.

01:21:47.627 --> 01:21:49.310
But hey, me and Colba, we should have done this.

01:21:49.310 --> 01:21:52.634
But look, he's obviously from El Salvador.

01:21:52.634 --> 01:21:54.456
We sent it back to El Salvador.

01:21:54.456 --> 01:21:56.177
Now, what El Salvador does.

01:21:56.177 --> 01:21:59.180
Okay, this is very different than in the old days.

01:22:02.425 --> 01:22:07.649
I think I've told you my Gitmo story about this.

01:22:07.649 --> 01:22:18.636
Right, I had a senior officer who was the investigator for when they I was down in Guantanamo, oh 203.

01:22:18.636 --> 01:22:27.662
And around 04, there were some accusations that 04 or 05, there were some accusations that some soldiers had been flushing the Koran down the toilet.

01:22:27.662 --> 01:22:28.802
So he was the investigator.

01:22:28.802 --> 01:22:35.211
He was a former police officer and so he went down there, he was tagged to be the investigating officer, went down.

01:22:35.211 --> 01:22:41.099
Sure enough, he came back completely unfounded, because if you know the toilet's down there, you couldn't have flushed a Koran.

01:22:41.099 --> 01:22:45.286
It's a circle, you would have had to rip it up and it never happened, right?

01:22:45.306 --> 01:23:03.760
He was telling me about a story that, while he was down there, one of the detainees had been authorized for release and so, ok, because he was there and because of his, what he was doing, they were like, hey, can you, you do the flight back?

01:23:03.760 --> 01:23:06.092
You know, can you be basically the OIC on the flight.

01:23:06.092 --> 01:23:10.448
Sure, you know, just because they fly out, he says we took him, we took him down.

01:23:10.448 --> 01:23:10.989
You know, just for custody they fly out.

01:23:10.989 --> 01:23:12.047
He says we took him, we took him down.

01:23:12.047 --> 01:23:14.128
The Not him, but the MPs.

01:23:14.128 --> 01:23:23.225
They took him down to the base of the stairs, handed him off, he signed or whatever, and they're walking back up the steps of the plane when the shot went off.

01:23:23.225 --> 01:23:34.832
So he was handed off to the government of an ally who took this detainee who had been sent back and instead of a trial they did what they do.

01:23:34.832 --> 01:23:39.238
You know they don't believe in a lot of due process.

01:23:39.238 --> 01:23:46.326
Yeah, that was, the due process was a bullet to the back of the head and he went.

01:23:46.326 --> 01:23:49.716
You know, I went up the stairs and we shut the door and we took off five minutes later.

01:23:49.716 --> 01:23:56.547
I mean, they didn't even spin down the head and he went.

01:23:56.547 --> 01:23:58.332
You know, I went up the stairs and we shut the door and we took off five minutes later.

01:23:58.332 --> 01:23:59.333
I mean, they didn't even spin down the engines.

01:23:59.333 --> 01:24:05.350
So it's a little bit different when you know this guy's taken and I think part of the argument you see from the right and this is a meme, so you know.

01:24:05.350 --> 01:24:06.292
Take it for what it's worth.

01:24:07.092 --> 01:24:12.204
The number of deportations by George Bush was two point five million.

01:24:12.204 --> 01:24:18.158
By Obama was three million, by Biden was you know one point five million.

01:24:18.158 --> 01:24:21.511
And by Trump has been you know one hundred thousand.

01:24:21.511 --> 01:24:22.533
How many injunctions?

01:24:22.533 --> 01:24:23.837
Zero, zero, zero.

01:24:23.837 --> 01:24:24.806
Trump has five.

01:24:24.806 --> 01:24:26.652
And so what's changed?

01:24:26.652 --> 01:24:31.122
Like even in his first tour, first time, his first presidency?

01:24:31.122 --> 01:24:31.704
You didn't see that.

01:24:31.704 --> 01:24:40.800
So that's where you start to see people worry about the political, political politicalization as well by some of the judges.

01:24:40.800 --> 01:25:21.501
I have a hard time understanding and I understand people say it's checks and balances, it's checks and balances, but when you have a federal judge, let's say from the state who's over the northeast Montana and I'm not saying exactly, I'm just using this in a different way the Montana federal judge in Montana and a federal judge in Montana writes an order that says the Trump administration cannot deport anybody at all simply because they believe that they are, you know, a gang member, ms-13.

01:25:21.501 --> 01:25:36.197
Judge, in that case really have the power of the jurisdiction to do that, because you've seen so many times where they, and maybe it is.

01:25:36.317 --> 01:25:44.898
But I think the short answer is the short answer is yes because it's unconstitutional, like we we've we've clearly established it the process of due process.

01:25:44.898 --> 01:25:57.501
Now, if you have, if they have been, if they've been, you know, into immigration and they found out that they are a member of MSN, ms-13, then that wasn't the issue at hand.

01:25:57.501 --> 01:26:00.149
The issue was not the deportation of gang members.

01:26:00.149 --> 01:26:12.957
The issue was randomly snatching a bunch of people who look like gang members or who you perceive to be gang members, throwing them on a plane, getting them to Venezuela and then trying to figure it out once you get to Venezuela.

01:26:15.069 --> 01:26:18.016
But even the Supreme Court was split on this right.

01:26:18.016 --> 01:26:19.809
No, the.

01:26:19.828 --> 01:26:21.475
Supreme Court was 9-0 on it.

01:26:21.475 --> 01:26:23.551
Like hey, no, stop.

01:26:23.551 --> 01:26:27.311
On one of the things the most important thing was hey, don't send people over without due process.

01:26:27.311 --> 01:26:28.115
That was the most important thing.

01:26:28.115 --> 01:26:28.436
Everything.

01:26:28.436 --> 01:26:30.125
Don't send people over to our due process.

01:26:30.125 --> 01:26:32.364
That was the most important thing.

01:26:32.364 --> 01:26:33.871
Everything else is circumstantial.

01:26:33.871 --> 01:26:35.421
Stephen.

01:26:35.442 --> 01:26:35.664
Miller.

01:26:35.664 --> 01:26:39.229
That's not what Alito said, though that's not what I read.

01:26:40.091 --> 01:26:42.944
Yeah, he had a dissent, of course, but the vote was still 9-0.

01:26:42.944 --> 01:26:44.851
No, this was a different one.

01:26:45.286 --> 01:26:47.108
Okay, he's talking about something else, yeah.

01:26:47.108 --> 01:26:59.516
So Alito and Thomas basically said so there was this At 1 am in the morning, supreme Court signed a temporary restraining order that basically said TRO.

01:26:59.516 --> 01:27:06.173
That said, hey, you can't keep doing whatever you're doing with immigration, right, I don't think it was necessarily the Venezuelan one, but it was something like that.

01:27:06.173 --> 01:27:07.551
Yeah, other one, but it was something like that, yeah.

01:27:07.551 --> 01:27:17.931
And and what alito was basically saying was well, hold on, we've always this has always gone through the process before it gets to the supreme court and we've always waited for it to go through the process.

01:27:17.931 --> 01:27:22.011
So so think about somebody like who's on death row.

01:27:22.011 --> 01:27:24.877
It just doesn't get to the supreme court.

01:27:24.877 --> 01:27:33.854
Death row has to go through so many layers of the judge, the appellate judge, the, you know, the, the federal, all that stuff, right.

01:27:33.854 --> 01:27:38.457
It goes all the way up through like 15 different and 30 years before it gets to the Supreme court.

01:27:38.457 --> 01:27:49.015
And so Alita was like we're breaking our own rules here because this is being filed on on behalf of people that haven't been wronged.

01:27:50.185 --> 01:27:55.493
We used to say it was all if, if somebody didn't have standing, then you don't get to sue.

01:27:55.493 --> 01:27:57.195
You have to be like if.

01:27:57.195 --> 01:28:01.688
If I try to go and I say, okay, I don't like that.

01:28:01.688 --> 01:28:14.082
Um, I don't like that utah isning black teachers, which is not the case, obviously, yeah.

01:28:14.082 --> 01:28:17.885
So I'm going to sue, right, I'm going to sue in Georgia.

01:28:17.885 --> 01:28:20.253
I'm going to say I think it's in federal court.

01:28:20.253 --> 01:28:26.057
I think it's absolutely wrong that Utah is going to stop letting black teachers.

01:28:26.057 --> 01:28:30.050
It would get to the courthouse here and they'd say you have no standing.

01:28:30.050 --> 01:28:30.890
How does this affect you?

01:28:30.890 --> 01:28:31.872
And I go.

01:28:31.872 --> 01:28:35.018
Well, I just think it's wrong, it doesn't matter, it doesn't affect you.

01:28:35.899 --> 01:28:40.689
Yeah, I saw a video earlier that explains just that and I'm glad I saved it.

01:28:40.689 --> 01:28:47.752
I figured it would come up, but let me play it and then hopefully we can see, and then we'll talk about it afterwards.

01:28:47.752 --> 01:28:52.100
All right, I can get this thing to work right, I can get this to work right.

01:28:54.766 --> 01:28:59.221
You know, if you can ever hire an engineer for five cents, five cents an episode, it would be good.

01:28:59.502 --> 01:29:01.389
I'm telling you All right, let's see if I can get this thing to work.

01:29:01.389 --> 01:29:01.770
Here we go.

01:29:01.770 --> 01:29:03.475
Sound off.

01:29:04.867 --> 01:29:08.550
Yeah, all those pesky activist judges are really getting on my nerves.

01:29:08.550 --> 01:29:10.796
The Supreme Court agreed to hear this.

01:29:10.796 --> 01:29:12.853
Yeah, they took it on as an emergency case.

01:29:13.225 --> 01:29:14.331
And I'm not exaggerating.

01:29:14.505 --> 01:29:15.266
If I win.

01:29:15.587 --> 01:29:20.733
I can do literally anything I want, but not like override the Constitution.

01:29:20.733 --> 01:29:26.235
No, no, no, I would definitely be able to override the Constitution with an executive order.

01:29:26.235 --> 01:29:27.398
No, that's not possible.

01:29:27.398 --> 01:29:30.215
You're clearly exaggerating, like you do, I'm not.

01:29:30.215 --> 01:29:34.114
Do you remember when I signed that executive order ending birthright citizenship?

01:29:34.114 --> 01:29:37.774
Yeah, it was challenged by, like, a whole bunch of states and watchdog organizations.

01:29:37.774 --> 01:29:43.606
Right, there were several cases that ended up being heard in federal courts and some of those judges issued national injunctions.

01:29:43.606 --> 01:29:47.155
But also, to be clear, one injunction alone, that still would have been enough.

01:29:47.155 --> 01:29:53.231
Yes, an injunction says that nationwide, this executive order is unconstitutional and unenforceable.

01:29:53.372 --> 01:29:57.653
So the birthright citizenship case, this is the emergency case that the Supreme Court is hearing.

01:29:57.653 --> 01:29:58.114
No.

01:29:58.496 --> 01:30:02.930
I was just explaining how those pesky activist judges have been keeping me in check.

01:30:02.930 --> 01:30:08.770
The emergency case is actually us trying to strip them of the power to issue national injunctions at all.

01:30:08.770 --> 01:30:18.912
Wait, so if you win and judges can't issue injunctions, then who would fight back against a clearly unconstitutional executive order like ending birthright citizenship?

01:30:18.912 --> 01:30:24.190
Anyone that was impacted personally by the executive order would have to sue us individually.

01:30:24.190 --> 01:30:25.113
Stop it.

01:30:25.113 --> 01:30:31.135
You're saying that if I was born here and my parents weren't citizens, I would have to sue you to get my citizenship back.

01:30:31.135 --> 01:30:38.858
Yeah, and here's the kicker If you win in a federal court, that doesn't mean dick for anyone else, holy shit.

01:30:38.858 --> 01:30:41.851
What about the states that sued you?

01:30:41.851 --> 01:30:46.237
This is where it starts to get interesting, because states can sue on behalf of their residents.

01:30:46.237 --> 01:30:54.957
So every state would have to sue to reinstate birthright citizenship and win Right, and some states might not.

01:30:54.957 --> 01:30:58.850
But then they could appeal it to the Supreme Court, who could give a nationwide ruling.

01:30:58.909 --> 01:31:00.996
Sure, you see how fast I can move on tariffs.

01:31:00.996 --> 01:31:06.438
Scotus already gets petitioned for 8,000 cases a year and they only have time to hear 60.

01:31:06.438 --> 01:31:09.551
All I have to do is sign a piece of paper.

01:31:09.551 --> 01:31:14.064
You have to fight an incredibly expensive and time consuming legal battle.

01:31:14.064 --> 01:31:21.458
So you can just flood the zone with executive orders and we can't even rule them unconstitutional until judges rule on them individually.

01:31:21.458 --> 01:31:23.768
Oh yeah, I can disrupt supply chains.

01:31:23.768 --> 01:31:26.570
I can determine what medical procedures you can get, procedures you can get.

01:31:26.570 --> 01:31:42.628
I can take your firearms away and until you win a case, your state wins a case or the Supreme Court rules on something, in a couple of years my executive order stands.

01:31:42.628 --> 01:31:44.475
Oh my God, and you're still thinking like a good person.

01:31:44.475 --> 01:31:45.980
I've already signed executive orders crippling law firms.

01:31:45.980 --> 01:31:46.684
I could cripple all of them.

01:31:46.684 --> 01:31:53.404
Holy shit, this is the biggest case of your sad little life, but you're still not bringing a break.

01:31:53.404 --> 01:31:55.890
Oh garcia, I don't actually have the power to do that.

01:31:55.890 --> 01:32:04.675
You're suing all of the federal judges, all those pesky activists um, a little bit of background.

01:32:04.715 --> 01:32:07.528
I found this guy's page a couple of days ago and I've been watching.

01:32:07.528 --> 01:32:19.467
He does definitely left-leaning, but he does at least a pretty good job at explaining this, the strategy and the process right, taking all the bias out.

01:32:19.467 --> 01:32:28.292
The strategy, pretty much is is the same right scoters can't do anything unless they rule on and based off of the executive order.

01:32:28.311 --> 01:32:30.997
it it's an individual, it's a case-by-case basis.

01:32:30.997 --> 01:32:51.827
If the injunction goes through which is, I think, what you were talking about the injunction on the federal judges, you would literally have to apply on a case-by-case basis, whether immigration or, for this video, birthright, citizenship, whatever the case is.

01:32:51.827 --> 01:32:56.069
This is what it is, I think.

01:32:56.069 --> 01:32:58.617
Yeah, it's a slippery slope man.

01:32:58.617 --> 01:33:00.069
I'm not really a fan of it.

01:33:00.069 --> 01:33:01.693
I dig the strategy.

01:33:01.693 --> 01:33:12.203
I understand why and how Brilliant, actually Smart, but not good for the coming man at all.

01:33:12.203 --> 01:33:14.387
I don't, I don't this, this.

01:33:14.529 --> 01:33:19.226
This goes back to what greg said and what I've said for a while, and we've agreed on this.

01:33:19.226 --> 01:33:25.828
The legislature isn't doing their effing job absolutely, but I mean you.

01:33:25.868 --> 01:33:26.529
So you have.

01:33:26.529 --> 01:33:28.814
You have this threat.

01:33:28.814 --> 01:33:30.519
I I think Murkowski was the one.

01:33:30.519 --> 01:33:36.537
Did you see that Murkowski interview where she was like, hey, we understand behind closed doors.

01:33:36.537 --> 01:33:51.867
Senators have talked about how we recognize the perception of what it is, but we have this albatross in our head called Elon Musk, threatening to financially support and primary anyone who disagrees.

01:33:51.867 --> 01:33:56.505
So for a lot of who, that's what I'm saying, but I mean you got to understand.

01:33:56.505 --> 01:33:59.291
They are addicted to the money and the power.

01:33:59.291 --> 01:34:09.697
So the threat of them being the threat of them being primary and possibly losing out on their grifting gig has a lot of our congressmen and women in a choke.

01:34:09.697 --> 01:34:09.877
Them.

01:34:09.877 --> 01:34:11.039
They refuse to act.

01:34:11.967 --> 01:34:29.152
And the irony of that is murkowski should be primary because of making that statement like if you're, if you, if you truly believe that me speaking up means I'm going to lose my gig as a senator, well, so I better not speak up.

01:34:29.152 --> 01:34:30.614
Yeah, you should be out.

01:34:30.614 --> 01:34:35.055
She should have like I didn't.

01:34:35.055 --> 01:34:40.331
I didn't hear that she should have resigned after saying that but that I mean if you it's not.

01:34:40.451 --> 01:34:42.395
I think that happens much more.

01:34:42.395 --> 01:34:44.179
Yeah, well, whoever it was.

01:34:44.179 --> 01:34:58.534
But I think you see that in other countries too a lot more, where it's almost like hey, this is so embarrassing that one of two reasons Either A I did something wrong and it came out, so I'm going to resign.

01:34:58.534 --> 01:35:04.377
Or B, this goes so much against my beliefs that the government would do this.

01:35:04.904 --> 01:35:05.426
I got it.

01:35:05.426 --> 01:35:05.947
Sorry about that.

01:35:05.947 --> 01:35:08.050
I'm going to try to pause it and start it over.

01:35:08.050 --> 01:35:11.534
I got it as carefully as I can, sorry about that.

01:35:11.715 --> 01:35:13.356
I'm going to try to pause it and start it over.

01:35:13.356 --> 01:35:14.018
I got it.

01:35:14.018 --> 01:35:16.481
I'm going to break it up so we can see it.

01:35:16.481 --> 01:35:18.246
But yeah, it is definitely a.

01:35:18.246 --> 01:35:20.050
I've never.

01:35:20.050 --> 01:35:23.358
I never thought I'd see the day where Congress would just be like you know what?

01:35:23.358 --> 01:35:26.654
Hey man, we love scraping our money off the top.

01:35:26.654 --> 01:35:31.997
We're not going to get involved and I'll let you hear it from her mouth and then we'll talk about it.

01:35:39.458 --> 01:35:39.960
Let's see.

01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:40.742
Come on, that didn't work.

01:35:40.742 --> 01:35:41.122
There we go.

01:35:41.122 --> 01:36:12.817
Part of what I've been doing with my team is just trying to listen as carefully as I can to what is happening and how it is happening and the impacts it is having on the ground, and we're honest up front in saying we don't know all the answers, but we're trying to unlock at different opportunities and in different ways, as much as we can, and it is as hard as anything that I have been engaged in in the 20 plus years I've been in the Senate.

01:36:12.817 --> 01:36:29.801
You know, say to people who are afraid, or people who are afraid, we are all afraid, okay, okay.

01:36:29.801 --> 01:36:30.341
So I'm sorry.

01:36:30.341 --> 01:36:36.515
I'm sorry, but we are.

01:36:41.372 --> 01:37:09.252
We're in a time and a place where I don't know, I don't know, okay, okay, I'm a foot lady and I've never played here before, and I'll tell you, I'm often times very anxious myself about losing my voice, because retaliation is real and that's not right.

01:37:09.252 --> 01:37:12.425
It's really a mess.

01:37:12.425 --> 01:37:23.354
But that's what you asked me to do and so I'm going to use my voice best.

01:37:23.354 --> 01:37:46.676
Sometimes it will be viewed in a way that will ask for a confrontation and other times it's going to be using my mother's charm that I learned as a young girl and in direct communication with those that I've made relationships with and able to fix some change that way.

01:37:46.676 --> 01:38:07.207
So I've changed that way, no-transcript yep.

01:38:08.288 --> 01:38:11.654
Did she say somewhere else that the retaliation was from with?

01:38:11.654 --> 01:38:13.261
I missed that within her own party.

01:38:13.462 --> 01:38:16.128
I yeah, so the, she, the.

01:38:16.128 --> 01:38:17.171
That was only two minutes.

01:38:17.171 --> 01:38:19.302
I didn't want to play the whole.

01:38:19.302 --> 01:38:20.686
It was like seven and a half minutes.

01:38:20.686 --> 01:38:22.652
So they have to be explained about.

01:38:22.652 --> 01:38:38.340
And they said well, you know, you have a guy in the White House who's threatening the primary, every Republican, and then, behind closed doors, we have, we're able to have candid conversations, but it always comes back to well, who's going to say something?

01:38:38.340 --> 01:38:42.131
Because you know what's, you know, you know what's lying on the other side.

01:38:42.131 --> 01:38:50.203
And she was like it's just, it's a really difficult position to be in and I'm like that's your fucking job do your job exactly.

01:38:50.524 --> 01:38:54.533
Do your job like, like, realistically do your job and you know what.

01:38:54.533 --> 01:38:56.623
If they want a primary, okay.

01:38:56.623 --> 01:39:01.962
So I look like this one of two things is going to happen if she gets primary right.

01:39:01.962 --> 01:39:21.791
Okay, either the people are going to say I appreciate that you stood up for us and you did what your job was, you showed integrity and you showed that you are a true leader, or people are going to go Well, yeah, you deserve to be out, but let it be up to the people.

01:39:21.791 --> 01:39:23.765
Who cares if you're primary?

01:39:23.765 --> 01:39:33.425
Like to me, that is an absolute spineless position and, don't get me wrong, it's, it's just as bad by the democrats.

01:39:33.425 --> 01:39:46.743
It's not like the democrats have a lot of steel backbones in their party either, um, but, like again, if, if the whole thing is, if you're in power to stay in power, you should get kicked out of power.

01:39:48.149 --> 01:39:49.274
I don't know.

01:39:49.274 --> 01:39:58.591
The threat of being taken off the government is very it's enough to make people say you know what?

01:39:58.591 --> 01:39:59.112
Hey, you're right.

01:40:00.541 --> 01:40:01.243
What do you think?

01:40:01.243 --> 01:40:02.266
I'm curious.

01:40:02.266 --> 01:40:03.761
I don't know what the number is.

01:40:03.761 --> 01:40:14.912
I wonder what the poorest, the least net worth senator is and what that number is my guess for senators.

01:40:14.912 --> 01:40:31.067
Now, maybe the House is a little different, the House, my guess, is lower, but my guess is I don't believe that there would be a senator that is under eight figures of a net worth that's at least $10 million.

01:40:31.067 --> 01:40:33.871
I'd be surprised.

01:40:33.871 --> 01:40:44.354
And if it is, it's a brand new one, for somehow Like yeah, but I'd be curious, but it's rare, you know it's going to be rare.

01:40:45.041 --> 01:40:46.122
I'm looking at it now to see.

01:40:46.122 --> 01:40:47.324
Hopefully I can get through.

01:40:47.345 --> 01:40:49.810
Networkofsenorscom.

01:40:49.829 --> 01:40:50.010
Yeah.

01:40:53.108 --> 01:40:54.640
No, this is always in 2012.

01:40:54.782 --> 01:40:55.493
Yeah, it doesn't show it.

01:40:55.493 --> 01:41:01.003
But in talking about that, have you heard about Go ahead?

01:41:03.148 --> 01:41:11.073
Oh, I was just going to say, you know it's going to be regardless, whoever it is, it's still going to be More than you or I'll ever see in our lifetimes.

01:41:11.073 --> 01:41:13.346
Oh, absolutely, whoever makes the least amount?

01:41:13.346 --> 01:41:14.371
Absolutely.

01:41:16.341 --> 01:41:17.622
I'm trying to find the name of.

01:41:17.622 --> 01:41:27.823
So there was a representative who says that they I think she's out of Michigan she has a way to save the Democrats Michigan.

01:41:27.823 --> 01:41:33.878
She has a way to save the Democrats Slotkin.

01:41:33.878 --> 01:41:35.323
She's the.

01:41:35.323 --> 01:41:58.206
She made news this week about saying that she has a way of saving the Democratic Party, and the way to do it is to adopt the alpha energy of the Detroit Lions coach, Dan Campbell, and to get away from the wokeness.

01:41:58.206 --> 01:42:14.417
First time I heard it and I listened to her, and then I realized that they are using it and I listened to it and then I realized that they are using it again, that I don't think they understand what that word means.

01:42:14.417 --> 01:42:24.381
Right, I think they're using the word wokeness as a pejorative for being Black, because Well, they're using it Well.

01:42:25.042 --> 01:42:26.003
I don't think that's true.

01:42:26.104 --> 01:42:28.127
I think woke has become a.

01:42:28.969 --> 01:42:31.793
Yeah, the Democratic Party didn't lose because of wokeness.

01:42:35.202 --> 01:42:36.386
They didn't lose because of wokeness.

01:42:36.386 --> 01:42:37.762
I think in part they did.

01:42:40.050 --> 01:42:40.711
Absolutely not.

01:42:41.560 --> 01:42:42.483
And I can show you where.

01:42:45.992 --> 01:42:53.221
So the biggest issues coming out of the dip, out of the election, were what?

01:42:53.221 --> 01:42:54.527
What were the biggest issues?

01:42:54.527 --> 01:43:16.725
The post post immigration, immigration, immigration no immigration economy wasn't wasn't a conversation until the Trump admin came on board and brought it up.

01:43:21.182 --> 01:43:25.726
I might have here senators.

01:43:26.188 --> 01:43:28.552
Slotkin, slotkin, slotkin.

01:43:28.552 --> 01:43:31.146
I don't know who that is.

01:43:31.146 --> 01:43:34.427
She's out of Michigan, she's a senator.

01:43:34.427 --> 01:43:38.631
Elissa Slotkin, mm-hmm.

01:43:39.782 --> 01:43:47.109
So the numbers that are showing Wikipedia list of current members of the United States Congress by will.

01:43:47.109 --> 01:43:50.868
This is on Wikipedia.

01:43:50.868 --> 01:43:57.012
Now they only have like 49 lists and this is from House and Senate.

01:43:57.012 --> 01:44:12.043
But the least well-off as of 2019, I think it's because of the reporting open secrets there's a Democratic House, the person with making the least amount of money.

01:44:12.043 --> 01:44:14.909
The net worth is $10.7 million.

01:44:15.292 --> 01:44:18.748
Oh man, how can you survive off of that?

01:44:20.094 --> 01:44:28.051
Well, this is just Wikipedia, I put in net worth of senators 2024.

01:44:28.051 --> 01:44:37.895
If you want the richest by 2025, rick Scott, it says here, is worth $550 million.

01:44:37.895 --> 01:44:39.863
Oh my, goodness.

01:44:39.863 --> 01:44:42.371
He's number one, number 10.

01:44:42.371 --> 01:44:43.985
Oh, I like number nine.

01:44:43.985 --> 01:44:50.466
Number nine Senator Mitch McConnell estimated net worth of $52 million, so there's a big drop off after that.

01:44:50.466 --> 01:44:55.931
And then the number 10, utah was $31.72 million.

01:44:55.971 --> 01:44:56.193
Cool.

01:44:57.061 --> 01:44:57.583
But you remember.

01:44:57.623 --> 01:44:58.287
John Kerry.

01:44:58.287 --> 01:45:00.043
John Kerry is a billionaire.

01:45:00.043 --> 01:45:00.765
Yeah, I told you.

01:45:03.162 --> 01:45:07.524
Don't get me wrong but still it's the biggest legal grift that you can get into right now.

01:45:07.524 --> 01:45:18.579
So the issues, the issues that the voters said mattered the most to them post-election Inflation and the cost of living Jobs in the economy yeah.

01:45:18.579 --> 01:45:21.807
Immigration and the border Threats to democracy.

01:45:21.807 --> 01:45:24.913
Abortion Project 2025.

01:45:24.913 --> 01:45:30.029
Corruption in government, social Security and Medicare Pause for a second.

01:45:30.291 --> 01:45:32.966
Okay, the first one was what?

01:45:33.921 --> 01:45:35.807
The first one was inflation and the cost of living.

01:45:35.807 --> 01:45:37.805
Okay, I'll say that's both parties.

01:45:38.127 --> 01:45:42.650
Second one Jobs and the economy Both parties Next one.

01:45:43.359 --> 01:45:48.182
Immigration and the border Republicans Threats to democracy.

01:45:48.182 --> 01:45:51.189
Democrats Abortion.

01:45:52.011 --> 01:45:52.533
Democrats.

01:45:53.340 --> 01:45:54.623
Project 2025.

01:45:55.466 --> 01:45:55.987
Democrats.

01:45:55.987 --> 01:45:57.971
Corruption in government.

01:45:57.971 --> 01:46:00.743
Probably both.

01:46:01.606 --> 01:46:07.525
Both Security and Medicare Social Security and Medicare.

01:46:09.783 --> 01:46:18.591
Probably because it's older, older people so, and they they run both parties, so probably both uh Supreme court appointment.

01:46:18.591 --> 01:46:23.511
Um, red team, probably red team.

01:46:23.511 --> 01:46:27.653
Yeah, I was going to say probably more Republican climate change in the environment Democrat.

01:46:27.672 --> 01:46:28.896
National security and foreign policy probably more Republican.

01:46:28.896 --> 01:46:29.760
Climate change in the environment Democrat.

01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:33.207
National security and foreign policy Republican.

01:46:34.230 --> 01:46:38.148
Health care Probably both, but more leaning Democrat.

01:46:39.761 --> 01:46:41.645
Democrat, seven Republicans, one.

01:46:42.989 --> 01:46:43.411
Oh seven.

01:46:43.411 --> 01:46:46.426
I didn't even know it had that breakdown.

01:46:46.426 --> 01:46:47.149
That's interesting.

01:46:48.304 --> 01:46:49.809
Federal budget deficit.

01:46:52.900 --> 01:46:54.204
Probably Republican.

01:46:54.766 --> 01:46:58.744
Six to one Voter fraud and election security.

01:46:58.744 --> 01:47:01.572
Republican Six to one.

01:47:01.572 --> 01:47:08.789
You know what's not on here, dei, dei, because it wasn't a thing until January 20th.

01:47:11.701 --> 01:47:12.082
Nothing.

01:47:12.082 --> 01:47:12.966
There's no racial.

01:47:15.386 --> 01:47:17.271
There's nothing on there about woke or social.

01:47:18.923 --> 01:47:23.685
It says late deciders who were more concerned about Democrats being too extreme than Republicans.

01:47:23.685 --> 01:47:48.086
That's the closest we can get to woke is the Democratic candidate being too extreme was minus 86 with Democrat voters, plus 58 with Republican voters, minus 50 with Blacks, minus 4 with Hispanics, minus 11 with Whites and then plus 9 on late deciders as a whole.

01:47:48.086 --> 01:47:52.987
So that is the.

01:47:52.987 --> 01:47:56.533
That was the second lowest issue between late deciders.

01:47:56.533 --> 01:48:17.907
The next lowest issues were the Republican candidate being too extreme at minus 24 and Republicans in general being too extreme with minus five differential it's all minus five yeah, and that's, that's in, that's from navigating the bad, uh, navigating the battlefield, navigatorresearchorg.

01:48:18.287 --> 01:48:27.030
I'll post a link in it, but what I'm saying is so, yeah, dei wasn't a thing until it was a thing um, and then woke.

01:48:27.030 --> 01:48:28.153
Like I said, woke.

01:48:28.153 --> 01:48:34.307
This pejorative of woke is now being used as everybody's too woke, everybody's too woke.

01:48:34.800 --> 01:49:06.405
Woke has become the new N-word Everybody's being too Well so and the reason I kind of I don't know if it's just my thought process or pushback or whatever when you have, when you have like Saturday night live, for example, go all in on anti-Trump and pro gay, pro trans, pro leftist and Saturday night live just a small, small example.

01:49:06.405 --> 01:49:12.835
I think that's kind of the idea, without naming and saying it's about wellness or it's about D.

01:49:12.835 --> 01:49:25.707
I think that's kind of where the All of those other things get mixed up.

01:49:25.787 --> 01:49:37.828
It's very tough to say Does, but remember I told you liberals, liberals will take a word from the black community and adopt it to their, adopted to their policies, wrongly.

01:49:37.828 --> 01:49:45.792
And then once you catch yeah, once it catches on nationally, you know it's automatically assumed that, oh, everything woke is bad.

01:49:45.792 --> 01:49:47.841
I mean, they did the same thing with Black Lives Matter.

01:49:47.841 --> 01:49:51.606
You know, black Lives Matter was a small grassroots movement.

01:49:51.606 --> 01:49:56.934
Once the liberals got a hold of it, it became national and then we came into all lives matter and all that.

01:49:56.934 --> 01:50:07.431
It's the same thing, same thing with Wokeness, same thing with DEI.

01:50:07.431 --> 01:50:09.060
And what we found out, you know, is nine times out of 10.

01:50:09.060 --> 01:50:18.109
Even though society tries to make it a black issue, it's not really a black issue, because most of the policies they believe are dominated or affected by black people generally aren't.

01:50:18.109 --> 01:50:23.583
Because the Democrats didn't lose because of a walk issue 92% of black women voted for Democrats.

01:50:23.583 --> 01:50:26.186
83% of black men voted for Democrats.

01:50:26.186 --> 01:50:33.956
It's not a black issue, but Black people, once again, always at the crux of of blame, right?

01:50:33.956 --> 01:50:34.600
Oh, we?

01:50:34.621 --> 01:50:49.979
just if we, if we get away from, if we get away from trying to appeal to everybody if we get away from from, you know, trying to trying to give everybody welfare and all this other stuff, then then maybe we can get back to the middle and all this other stuff, then maybe we can get back to the middle.

01:50:49.979 --> 01:50:57.509
Well, sure, but that's not hurting the Black community, because by far and away the Black community isn't the greatest benefactor of government benefits.

01:51:00.448 --> 01:51:05.225
But again, you can also look at statistics damn statistics and statistics.

01:51:05.345 --> 01:51:08.404
Even if you look at that, it's still not Blacks Right.

01:51:08.423 --> 01:51:09.189
but it's still not.

01:51:09.189 --> 01:51:11.201
It's still not black, right well, but that it's when you twist this.

01:51:11.201 --> 01:51:14.988
When you twist this statistic, you can make perception reality.

01:51:14.988 --> 01:51:19.644
Um, and so the thing about woke though.

01:51:19.644 --> 01:51:26.475
Um, now you know woke really, has woke's been around what?

01:51:26.475 --> 01:51:32.847
For five to eight years, no Woke has been in the no.

01:51:32.847 --> 01:51:36.738
No, no, I'm not talking in the Black community, I know the Black community.

01:51:40.074 --> 01:51:43.840
Liberals have taken it over here in the last decade yeah, that's what I mean.

01:51:44.240 --> 01:52:01.944
So in the last ten or less years, because language evolves, right, and so woke to me I never once ever heard woke in terms of woke meant anything having anything to do with the black community, like I didn't know that's what it meant.

01:52:01.944 --> 01:52:05.552
So, liberal woke eight years, perfect, yeah, that exactly.

01:52:05.552 --> 01:52:08.822
Woke eight years, perfect, yeah, that, exactly that.

01:52:08.822 --> 01:52:24.907
And that's kind of my point is that when you're talking about woke now, because you go back far enough and you can see the, the changes in how things are are set like it used to be that, um, you know, when you talk about controlling, like abortion, it was pro-rights, oh, it's pro-rights, we're not.

01:52:24.907 --> 01:52:31.987
We're not pro-abortion, we're pro-rights, oh, it's pro-rights, we're not pro-abortion, we're pro-rights, and that's why you know pro-life.

01:52:31.987 --> 01:52:38.270
And then the Democrats went oh no, we need Ours, sounds bad, you guys are just pro-birth, you're not actually pro-life.

01:52:39.662 --> 01:52:41.305
So it's all this battle about words.

01:52:41.305 --> 01:52:46.675
So, like woke, I never thought of woke as being a black or white word.

01:52:46.675 --> 01:52:48.306
To me it was a left or right word.

01:52:48.306 --> 01:53:03.671
And so when you start seeing in conventional verbiage, especially like that said in the last eight years, wokeness, yeah, it didn't have anything to do with race.

01:53:03.671 --> 01:53:18.546
Now DEI, yeah, DEI has always been been shown as race, even though you and I have both seen that it was actually white women that got more advantage from dei than in real um and and like welfare and all that stuff.

01:53:18.606 --> 01:53:19.149
Yeah, it seemed.

01:53:19.149 --> 01:53:20.837
You know, anybody looks at the numbers.

01:53:20.837 --> 01:53:25.606
They realize that there's more poor white people getting welfare than poor black people.

01:53:25.606 --> 01:53:49.975
Yeah, it absolutely is a bastardization, and so you know when you're looking at these things, when you have the words as well, instead of making the, I think this is part of the problem with with the left, the right, not so much because the right the right don't really care.

01:53:49.975 --> 01:53:52.929
The right just says what we think common sense is Right.

01:53:52.929 --> 01:53:53.631
There's kind of that.

01:53:53.631 --> 01:53:55.282
You know what I mean.

01:53:55.282 --> 01:53:57.967
I'm not trying to make that sound dumb.

01:53:58.148 --> 01:54:08.146
But but the right's kind of like conservatives, are kind of like this and for all I don't even want to say conservatives, I want to say the right, because yeah, we, yeah, we have to.

01:54:08.688 --> 01:54:11.930
We have to be clear that there is two separate branches.

01:54:11.930 --> 01:54:17.537
Right, there's conservatives and then there's the right wing, which is our video just died.

01:54:33.320 --> 01:54:34.042
Ok, you bet, you bet.

01:54:34.042 --> 01:54:34.524
Yeah, so are you?

01:54:34.524 --> 01:54:38.197
Yeah, I think, when it comes to this, the Republicans and the right are better at using simple words and simple phrases like MAGA.

01:54:38.216 --> 01:54:39.060
Oh, we know, I mean, I mean we know, we know.

01:54:39.060 --> 01:54:46.865
We know what the black community, the, the, yeah, they are they they love to stick to simple words and and try to use them.

01:54:46.865 --> 01:54:48.090
Yeah, oh sure.

01:54:49.622 --> 01:54:53.621
And the left, because the left, especially in academia, is.

01:54:53.621 --> 01:54:57.190
We're going to start talking about what it really means to be an American.

01:54:57.190 --> 01:55:03.132
What does it really mean to be somebody of African descent in America?

01:55:03.132 --> 01:55:13.109
And I, as an intellectual on the left, I'm going to tell you all what it means to be an African-American in this country, instead of going, hey, kj, what's it like to be an American?

01:55:13.109 --> 01:55:16.850
Like on the right, it's hey, what do you think, dude?

01:55:16.850 --> 01:55:24.289
Like I think most, I think most white conservatives are more like dude, I don't know what it's like to be a black person in America.

01:55:24.289 --> 01:55:25.480
How would I know that, dude?

01:55:25.480 --> 01:55:26.239
I don't know what it's like to be a black person in America.

01:55:26.239 --> 01:55:26.686
How would I know that?

01:55:26.686 --> 01:55:30.765
But you have this pretending on the left, and we've talked about this.

01:55:30.765 --> 01:55:40.445
Malcolm X of you know there's nothing worse than a liberal, a white liberal, trying to say, yeah, the allies, I'm your ally.

01:55:40.686 --> 01:55:41.822
I know what you're going through.

01:55:41.822 --> 01:55:42.805
Know the fuck you know.

01:55:43.368 --> 01:55:47.122
No, and that's what kind of drew.

01:55:47.122 --> 01:55:57.247
This is what kind of drew me bonkers over the last few years is I'm post-racial, I don't see race, what?

01:55:57.247 --> 01:56:09.622
Like, seriously, like now, do I think it's okay if I say, hey, sergeant Johnson, I need to talk to Sergeant Johnson and they go which one?

01:56:09.622 --> 01:56:14.524
And I say the black one, the what I'm like.

01:56:14.524 --> 01:56:15.521
What do you mean?

01:56:15.521 --> 01:56:18.565
One of our Sergeant Johnson is black and one of them is white.

01:56:18.565 --> 01:56:22.444
If it was a male and a female Sergeant Johnson.

01:56:22.564 --> 01:56:24.765
I was like the dude, they'd go.

01:56:24.765 --> 01:56:25.761
Okay, no big deal.

01:56:25.761 --> 01:56:27.640
Or the girl okay, go get her.

01:56:27.640 --> 01:56:29.305
But if they're black or white.

01:56:29.326 --> 01:56:31.511
It'd be like, oh, you can't say that.

01:56:31.511 --> 01:56:36.806
I'm like, why not, I need Smith, which one?

01:56:36.806 --> 01:56:38.170
The redhead?

01:56:38.170 --> 01:56:41.541
Okay, I'll go get him, you know.

01:56:41.541 --> 01:56:44.225
But the funny thing is, if it's like, hey, I need Smith, which one?

01:56:44.225 --> 01:56:44.626
The redhead?

01:56:44.626 --> 01:56:48.311
Or the black hair, it's like you mean the black guy, Like black hair, what?

01:56:48.311 --> 01:56:52.545
But you get this pushback.

01:56:52.545 --> 01:56:58.685
That is just so stupid, oh for sure.

01:56:58.685 --> 01:57:03.912
Oh well bad, let alone the stigma of sounding white and being a sellout.

01:57:03.912 --> 01:57:05.382
We talked about Glory.

01:57:05.382 --> 01:57:07.940
We can go back to one of my favorite movies Glory.

01:57:07.940 --> 01:57:09.341
Hey, Snowflake, you know.

01:57:09.480 --> 01:57:09.801
Denzel.

01:57:09.820 --> 01:57:11.341
Washington going off.

01:57:11.341 --> 01:57:12.261
It doesn't matter.

01:57:12.261 --> 01:57:15.863
If you walk white, you talk white, you ain't never going to be white.

01:57:15.863 --> 01:57:17.904
Oh, you don't like that, do you?

01:57:17.904 --> 01:57:18.744
You don't like that.

01:57:18.744 --> 01:57:22.567
You want to hug me, you know.

01:57:22.567 --> 01:57:27.069
But in the black community you had the the paper bag test.

01:57:27.069 --> 01:57:29.569
Yeah, you do If you're.

01:57:29.569 --> 01:57:32.192
If you're lighter skin than this, oh, you're good to go.

01:57:32.192 --> 01:57:33.971
If you're dark, I don't want you in my house.

01:57:33.971 --> 01:57:35.332
You know you're a parent.

01:57:35.332 --> 01:57:36.453
You're not marrying my daughter.

01:57:36.974 --> 01:57:40.515
Well, that wasn't, that was, that was a.

01:57:40.515 --> 01:57:47.158
That was an adapt, an adoption into the black community based off of what was culturally accepted.

01:57:47.158 --> 01:57:52.301
You know that was post, yeah, I just knew.

01:57:52.301 --> 01:57:54.087
Yeah, community based off of what was culturally accepted.

01:57:54.087 --> 01:57:55.009
You know, post, yeah, post reconstruction, right.

01:57:55.009 --> 01:58:01.364
So it was like, hey, all right, we gotta be, we can be around you, but you gotta be a certain complexion, like the darkies.

01:58:01.364 --> 01:58:11.159
The darkies guys who look like me, didn't stand a chance, right but um, they kind of got away from that 1% nigger blood thing and got into it more.

01:58:11.180 --> 01:58:12.917
Oh, that was the white people saying.

01:58:12.917 --> 01:58:15.670
If you're lighter than a paper bag, you're good to go yeah.

01:58:18.414 --> 01:58:18.697
No, no, no.

01:58:18.697 --> 01:58:31.793
Black people just adopted it as a way of acceptance, because, again, it was that mindset of the closer we can assimilate to whiteness, we will, but I mean, but that'll take us into a whole different episode and we really don't have time.

01:58:31.793 --> 01:58:41.108
And the assimilation of whiteness and why some races are able to get ahead and why black people just tend to lag behind, despite you know everything.

01:58:41.148 --> 01:58:42.470
But all right, we got Okay.

01:58:42.470 --> 01:58:48.100
Final thought, final thought To go with what we're going on.

01:58:48.100 --> 01:58:52.826
There was a Japanese individual who sued to be claiming whiteness.

01:58:53.405 --> 01:58:53.525
Yes.

01:58:53.626 --> 01:58:55.707
In the late 19th century.

01:58:55.707 --> 01:59:00.912
He lost, but he was whiter than I am, so racial.

01:59:00.912 --> 01:59:04.817
You know, it's not really about race, it's about where you come from.

01:59:04.817 --> 01:59:10.009
So even today that's probably true to some degree.

01:59:10.009 --> 01:59:15.188
Like, honestly, you know, my one of my best friends married an African, first generation African girl, and she's great.

01:59:15.188 --> 01:59:30.926
I wouldn't have a problem if I was ever going to date somebody who was now I'm married, but if I was going to date somebody who was black, no, no, I was just going to say if I was going to marry somebody, if I was going to date somebody who was black and they were from Africa, I'd have no problem with that.

01:59:30.926 --> 01:59:32.586
I love African people.

01:59:32.586 --> 01:59:37.220
African American people have the stigma and you even have that from people from Africa.

01:59:37.220 --> 01:59:43.154
Go, yeah, this is tough, you know, like I don't want to be associated with the people that were born here.

01:59:44.101 --> 01:59:52.389
Yeah, we can definitely get into the disassociation of Africans with African-Americans and man, I mean we can just, it's just way too much.

01:59:52.389 --> 01:59:57.671
Our final thought is yo, we have guests lined up for the next three months.

01:59:57.671 --> 02:00:01.631
Please tune in, Please stay attentive to the, to the notes.

02:00:01.631 --> 02:00:02.697
We'll see you guys.

02:00:02.697 --> 02:00:03.632
Same bat time.

02:00:03.632 --> 02:00:04.775
Same bat channel, Lance.

02:00:04.775 --> 02:00:05.524
We are out of here.

02:00:05.524 --> 02:00:06.414
Got it time.

02:00:06.435 --> 02:00:11.056
Same bat channel, lance we are out of here.

02:00:11.056 --> 02:00:12.396
What do you want to do tonight?

02:00:13.037 --> 02:00:14.797
the same thing we do every night.

02:00:14.797 --> 02:00:21.949
Pinky, try to take over the world all right, yo let's get into it.

02:00:21.989 --> 02:00:25.582
Try to take over the world you're preaching.

02:00:25.603 --> 02:00:27.287
Try to take over the world.

02:00:29.952 --> 02:00:31.675
They're preaching freedom.

02:00:31.675 --> 02:00:33.438
Take over the world and brings chaplain in the world.

02:00:33.438 --> 02:00:35.327
Take over the world.